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Phish Save the Date! Halloween Teaser Map

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Yesterday Phish confirmed what had been circulating on the rumor train for weeks — that they'll be hosting a 3-day Halloween Festival from October 30th to November 1st, 2009.

See above for the custom announcement from Phish.com. The map is being updated every few days with a new animated clue, slowly revealing the festival location and potentially the name:

“Save the Date”

Empire Polo Club in Indio, CA

Speaking of which, all signs are pointing to the Phish Halloween Festival being held at the stunning Empire Polo Field in Indio, California, home of the annual Coachella festival and fertile spot for growing dates.

The Coachella / Empire Polo Field rumor is strong enough that nearby hotel rooms and rentals are pretty much sold out. And apparently there's already huge demand for Naked Wizard costumes.

Read on more analysis and speculation about the Phish Festival 2009.


Update: June 28, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Nothing confirmed of course, but word on the street is the band will be playing eight (yes, 8) sets over the 3-day festival. Two sets Friday, three sets Saturday, and three sets again on Sunday including an early one. Take it with a grain of salt as I'm only about 50/50 with the rumors on Jamtopia.

And while I'm speculating, the latest I've heard or read from the few remaining sources that have any credibility, Fall Tour 2009 is going to be a whopper. Supposedly Phish will play a 26 show Fall Tour ending in North Carolina in November. And that'll be followed up by a (rumored-to-death) 4-night stand in Miami for New Years.

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a heck of a lot of shows and if it pans out this way I can only hope it doesn't “drag on beyond the point of vibrancy and health.” Oh wait, I can also hope they stop by the UIC Pavilion for at least a few nights!

Provided the rest of this info is correct, you can look for an announcement on or around July 4th.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Just got a comment from Johnny Goff (aka @PhishNQuips) saying that Phish will appear on Conan / The Tonight Show on October 28th. Take it for what it's worth.

::wonders if he can program Tivo that far in advance::


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Not sure how this didn't come to my attention earlier, but a day-and-half-old thread on PT has plenty of spoilers for what's going to happen on the map based on the findings of mr_wonderful.


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From the looks of it we'll be seeing a merman swimming from somewhere near North Carolina to Colorado, and an alien zapping Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Nevada before going “home” to New Mexico. Here's a composite image from another intrepid PT'er showing how it all comes together.

Notably, the band has removed these elements from the live Flash file, so there's always the chance they'll change things up just to keep it interesting.

Still not sure how I feel about having seen this in advance, but I know for sure I've got tons of respect for the creative concept and love that the band is back to their old playful ways.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Okay, I wish I could take credit for this but alas it was pointed out by someone else. Take a gander at this snippet from the “Economy” section of the Indio, CA Wikipedia page:

Indio has been one of Southern California's most important agricultural regions, once responsible for a large percentage of the nation's date crop; however, with all the new residential and recreational development, the date groves are now more limited to south and southeast of Indio. Even the grove of date palms at the Riverside County Date Festival fairgrounds has been torn out by the county.[citation needed]

There are citrus groves and vegetable fields surrounding the city limits, but rapid development of new housing tracts and golf courses in the “East Valley” in the 1990s and 2000s has displaced most of the agricultural space.

Turns out “Save the Date” might not just be a directive, but also the actual name of the Phish Halloween Festival, a brilliant pun, and a potential cause marketing angle for the Fest. If this is the case, somewhere out there a marketing genius lives among us. Well-played whoever you are.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Not sure when, but some time today the map fell victim to an infestation of red fire ants who devoured North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Washington.

red fire ant

Once again the super-sleuths at PT are doing a great job of reverse engineering this concept. Turns out about 10 years ago a turf farm in Indio, CA was invaded by South American fire ants prompting eradication measures by the state Food and Agriculture Department.

If the fire ants are not eradicated, state officials could eventually order a quarantine to isolate the insects, which devour fruit, flowers and tree bark, officials said.

Apparently the problem has only gotten worse since then. A long-term eradication program that started in 2000 was suspended in 2004 due to lack of funding and as recently as 2008 the fire ant infestation was reportedly spreading eastward.

The map version of California remains (not surprisingly) unharmed by the animated ants, but the overall creative concept continues to prove itself to be extremely well thought out.


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Holy crap. I think I just figured out the clue to the first animation in the Halloween Festival map — the one where Oklahoma, Idaho, West Virginia and New Hampshire seemed to simply deflate.

My theory: the animation represents a groundwater plume. More specifically, a plume with an overly-high nitrate concentration.

The nitrate plume is a potential threat to deeper underlying groundwater via improperly constructed, sealed, or abandoned wells.

I'll give you one guess where you can find these poisoned plumes… that right, the Indio Subbasin of the Coachella Valley Groundwater Basin. At least according this report from the California Department of Water Resources which I've quoted above.

dates growing on a vine

Presumably, if left unchecked, these nitrate plumes will ruin the water that's used to irrigate the date crop, not to mention the drinking water.

So at this point I'm going on record: I'll buy you a Nintendo if the Phish Festival 2009 isn't in Indio, CA. Save the friggin' date, and book your flight already!


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Today the map was updated again, and this time Kansas and Ohio were unceremoniously yanked from contention by a clipper-type boat.

dates growing on a vine

And again the folks on PT are all over it, quickly surmising that this is a reference to “The Lost Ship of the Desert” — the subject of legends about ancient ships buried in, you know it, California's Colorado Desert.

The [Los Angeles] Examiner also published a story [in 1919] of a Spanish galleon half-buried in the sands near Indio, its hold bursting with a cargo of precious stones.

So like the forthcoming UFO, this one isn't quite a direct reference to Saving Dates, but it still has Indio written all over it.


Update: July 2, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Well for whatever reason the map isn't doing anything for me, but word on the street is that an alien Vannah White cyclops has come in and taken out Oregon, Wyoming, Illinois, and Pennsylvania Wheel of Fortune style.

dates growing on a vine

Right now the Indio connection is a little questionable, but one PT thread links to this article about date festivals that does mention the letter-turning temptress:

…and above the counter, there are still pictures of the Shields themselves outfitted in safari gear and helmets, as well as hand-colored black-and-white photos of pinup girls holding bushels of dates and caressing date palms with the aplomb of Vanna White.

Pretty tenuous for sure, and given the previous animations I'm guessing there's a more compelling reason for this one hidden out there somewhere.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I think I figured out the Vanna White animation, and it's got nothing to do with Vanna White. The important part is that she's a Cyclops!

Let me preface by saying this is WAY over my head and I'm not sure I totally understand it well enough to explain, but I'll take a stab.

Apparently cyclops is not just a one-eyed bastard living in a cave but also a newly identified part of the “common symbiosis signaling (Sym) pathway” in plants. And best I can gather from this report, certain mutations in the cyclops portion of the Sym pathway can help plants work harder to extract nutrients from soil.

Because of these benefits, scientists are working to better understand and clone the more successful cyclops mutations.

A number of plants have entered beneficial interactions with microorganisms that facilitate the uptake of nitrogen and phosphorus from the soil. [The authors] provide new insights into a novel genetic component in the plant that allows the establishment of these nutrient-capturing symbioses… Our challenge now is to take this genetics into a coherent understanding of the mechanisms of symbiosis signaling.
How CYCLOPS keeps an eye on plant symbiosis by Ward Capoen and Giles Oldroyd

If the scientists can pull this off, not only will the crops be more healthy, but farmers won't need to use as much fertilizer which is expensive and emits a ton of greenhouse-gasses.

date palm leaf infected with bayoud disease

This same type of genetic control may also have something to do with preventing bayoud disease in date palms, but I'm not exactly sure how it all ties together.

Either way, if the above is anything even close to the correct explanation, this is yet again another brilliant clue tied right back to the Save the Date theme.

In other news, I've had a few people email asking if I knew what the background music to the map is. Turns out it's part of the 30+ minute Wolfman's from 10/31/98. This monster includes multiple jam segments, tons of teases, Fishman on vacuum, and more.

And to wrap up tonight's update, it seems we've got our first parody of the map. Not even gonna comment on this one.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Some alternate Fall tour date rumors have started making the rounds on a variety of message boards, one of which comes complete with photographic “evidence.”

Phish leaked fall tour dates

This rumored 20-stop tour schedule has the band playing the Hollywood Bowl, Warfield (the night after Save the Date), Austin Music Hall, Hampton Coliseum, three nights at the Spectrum, and two nights at MSG among others. Not to mention the Tonight Show and of course the Save the Date festival.

If these dates pan-out I'll feel a little bad that the info I posted above was wrong, but I'll sure feel great about going back to Rosemont Horizon.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Another update, another three states out of the running.

Thor wind god

This time it's bad news for Tennessee, Virginia, and Kentucky, all of which were blown off the map by the winds of Thor (or some other wind-related god).

And of course as luck would have it, about 3 seconds of Googling brings a curious factoid… date palms in nature can be pollinated by wind.

Not really sure what exactly this has to do with saving dates though, as it's apparently been common practice to hand-pollinate date palms for centuries “to avoid wasting a lot of space and energy growing sufficient male plants” — at least according to Wikipedia.

Will keep you posted if I learn anything else. In the mean time, here are some interesting facts about date palms.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

A few theories about the wind have made the rounds on PT — one that it's a reference to the Santa Ana winds and another that it's a reference to the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm. I was even working up a theory involving wind propogation of Date mites that can ruin a crop in no time.

But a comment left below by someone named Neil stopped me dead in my tracks.

Creation of Adam

Neil points out that the god in the animation isn't Thor at all, but the biblical God as depicted in Michelangelo's “The Creation of Adam” on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The famous fresco illustrates the Book of Genesis story when God formed Adam out of “the dust of the ground” and then “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life”, causing him to “become a living soul” (Gen. 2:7, KJV, emphasis mine).

As Neil further reminds us, after God created Adam he brought forth trees from the ground (Gen. 2:9), one of which was the Tree of Life.

And guess what type of tree many cultures and biblical scholars believe to be the Tree of Life?

You guessed it, the date palm. Imagine that.


Update: July 7, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Looks like Mike just rolled in on his Segway and mowed down another trio of states — North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska. Don't foresee an obvious Indio connection, but you know I'll post an update if I find one.

And I'll also post an update if I can find a patent for a Segway lawn mower. Phenomenal idea.


Update: July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Two things to update this morning.

First, in the spirit of Occam's razor I think I may have overthought the clue to the first animation having stumbled upon a simpler solution on Wikipedia's Choachella Valley page.

Geysers.

Seismic activity is what triggers earthquakes, a common natural but on occasion, destructive phenomena in the Coachella Valley, and fault lines causes hot water springs or geysers to rise from the ground.

Funny because I had originally been looking for geysers when I found the nitrogen plumes.

Mike Gordon Segway Lawn Mower

In other news, been thinking a bit more about the Mike Segway animation and may have stumbled across something there too.

Something beyond the fact that the Coachella Valley is riddled with golf courses, not to mention the Empire Polo Fields themselves, and that the whole area needs tons of lawn mowing.

Monster Garage Mustang Lawn Mower

It's possible the Segway lawn mower may be a subtle nod to Palm Desert-based sod supplier West Coast Turf.

The company, headquartered a mere nine miles outside of Indio, helped Jesse James's Monster Garage create “Switchblade.” It's the Mustang convertible lawn mower seen at right.

Now that may be a bit of a stretch, but I can think of at least one place where any type of lawn mower, be it Mustang, Seqway, or plain-old John Deere would be completely useless — Datelan Army Airfield.


Update: July 10, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Alaska blowing up

Alaska, we hardly knew ye. So sorry to see you go.

Details to follow, I've got “real” work to do.


Update: July 11, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Try as I might, I'm just not making any sort of connection between Alaska and Indio. But there's still plenty of potential symbolism to ruminate on.

For starters you've got the obvious — Alaska, the song (and background track for the animation) failed to make the cut for the new Phish album Joy.

Flaming Bomb Alaska

Then you've got the delicious desert item bombe Alaska (see at right) — a decadent variation of baked Alaska that adds a dark rum flambé to the already delicious combo of ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.

And given the detonation's proximity to lovely Wasila, Alaksa, one can't help but think this might be some sort of social commentary on a political career up in smoke.

Meanwhile, if you have read the comment thread below you're missing out on some great entertainment value, not to mention a simmering East Coast / West Coast feud.


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 10:30 am

WOW!

California Hot Air Balloon

California (along with the bulk of my credibility if this pans out) was just airlifted off the map by a fleet of hot air balloons!

For the moment, I'm stumped. Totally appreciate that much of the speculation above was far-reaching, but at least a few of those animations point straight to Indio. Not to mention the incredible array of “in the know” folks saying Indio was a lock.

If this proves nothing else it's that Phish likes to keep you guessing, and that's about all I have left to do. Keep guessing.

Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for a free Nintendo Wii giveaway when the final location is announced — assuming they don't have one more twist up their sleeve. Part of me thinks California may have just been airlifted away for safe-keeping :)


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Well needless to say this latest animation has lit-up the Phish message boards like a Christmas tree, but really only a few things worth noting (not including the picture at right which is just for fun).

Hot Air Balloon Indio CA

First, as ZZYZX was (I believe) the first to identify on PT, California is not really gone if you zoom out on the map. Now this could just be lazy programming, moving an object off the stage instead of actually killing it off. But either way it's led to plenty of additional speculation that Cali's just hovering up there safely, waiting for a triumphant return once the rest of the states are eliminated.

Second, the latest animation has resulted in at least one public wager for a 3 day festival pass.

Finally, and perhaps most curiously, is this recent tweet from Kevin Shapiro that reminds us to “never trust a prankster.”

Can't imagine what he means by that.


Update: July 14, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Sorry for the late update. I've been having trouble with my AT&T DSL at home so couldn't see the animation last night. I did however call them and after explaining that I wasn't able to do my “very important work” they gave me a $100 credit!

Fishman Pinball Machine

Turns out last night the entire map turned into a pinball machine and the ball took out Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Montana, Michigan, and Utah before dropping into Lake Michigan.

Plus a little bonus at the end showed the ball to be super-imposed with Fishman in a Viking hat a la Fall Tour 98.

In the spirit of completeness, I set out to find an Indio connection to see what would turn up. Answer, not too much.

I did however find this cool vintage Palm Springs pinball machine made by (Vegas-based) Bally back in 1953. Learned that IPD is not just an acronym for Indio Police Department but also Internet Pinball Database. And found a Plinko like contraption called Fantasy 5 Dream Machine that was part of the California lottery's TV show The Big Spin. Don't miss the previous segment from that episode to watch a lady win $3 million bucks.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, as most people have noticed California is no longer “floating” above the map in the latest Teaser.swf file. No big surprise. It was just conveniently stashed off-stage at the end of the hot air balloon animation.

Hot Air Balloon Pumpkin Mask

Not content with just viewing the .swf, some folks on PT have continued to decompile the Teaser, an effort that's been light on clues since the UFO / merman incident. But this latest decompiled swf revealed the asset seen at right, a large image sprite with a mundane name, Shape6.jpg.

The asset hasn't generated as much speculation as one might think, despite the fact that it bears mild resemblance to a pumpkin, is the same design as the balloons that carried away California, and is significantly larger than the other balloon .

Not that this couldn't just be a left-over masking asset from the previous animation, but you know I can't help but speculate :)

One more quick note — today is the last day to enter Jamtopia's Mike Gordon bobblehead giveaway. Could be your only chance to score this great piece of Phish memorabilia.


Update: July 17, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Darts

In the biggest state-take-down yet, the latest animation finds nine states — Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana, and New Mexico — getting targeted and subsequently taken out by darts.

It only took me about 20 minutes of research to tie this back to date palms, and like the Cyclops above it has something to do with plant genetics and breeding.

Specifically, I think it's a reference to something called Diversity Arrays Technology, or DArT.

Diversity Arrays Technology Logo

[DArT] will make comprehensive genome profiles an affordable and powerful tool to accelerate plant breeding.
cropscience.org.au

In short, DArT is a relatively cheap and easy way to analyze plant genomes. Armed with this knowledge, scientists should be able cultivate plants that are more disease resistant, better adapted to local environments, and more generally allow for healthier crops and higher yields.

Haven't been able to find specific references to DArT being used on date palms, but presumably this application would be a positive step towards reducing or even preventing (the previously mentioned) Bayoud Disease.

Now I realize that California is gone from the map, so say what you will about this analysis, but either way I'm still having fun sleuthing and plan to keep at it until the very end.

And speaking of gone from the map… Michigan seems to have re-appeared (for now), though presumably only because the developer failed to include it in the _deadStates array.


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

With respect to saving dates, there's an interesting comment below from Austin resident BathtubGin09 who points to a 2008 Texas Department of Agriculture alert entitled Date Palm Lethal Decline. Per the article:

Recently the Texas Department of Agriculture adopted an Emergency Quarantine in Cameron, Hidalgo, Nueces and Willacy counties of Texas against Date Palm Lethal Decline disease caused by a phytoplasma.

And apparently most of the date palm trees infected with the so-called Texas Phoenix Palm Decline are coming in from Florida. Looks like Indio isn't the only place that could use some DArT :)


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Darts

A dump truck just came in by boat, picked up Missouri, Arkansas, and Colorado, then redeposited Washington back on the map.

And with that, this whole chicanery just got a whole lot more interesting (or less, depending I guess on who you ask) given that the map now has the proven ability to return what it hath once taken away. Can't wait to see how this wraps up…


Update: July 21, 2009 @ 8:30 am

No map updates, but a late-night Tweet from someone (presumably) at The Chopping Block is worth noting:

Phish promo almost done. Starting to suck the life out of me when I leave work at 2am. But fuck it's a cool spot we did for them.
@nathancali via Twitter

I guess it's obvious that the map is“almost done,” but this really helps me appreciate all the work that's gone into it. And I gotta agree that it's a cool spot.


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

And then there was one.

Darts

Tonight Phish brought back the Golden State after purging the remaining contenders with a standard-issue power drill.

I was a little surprised the hot air balloons didn't return, but the drill still entertained. The animation played-out with applause and cat calls, ultimately drilling through (recently revived) Washington which leaked South into California.

Meanwhile I wonder if the drill was a late addition in response to the recently passed California budget which could allow for offshore drilling as “a new source of desperately needed cash.”

Maybe we'll never know, but you gotta figure there's one more animation to come — the one that reveals the Halloween Festival location, ticket info and other details.

And if we're lucky, Fall Tour dates!


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

INDIO!

California with golf flag in Indio

Tonight the Phish Halloween map came to an end, falling apart as California came front-and-center accompanied by 2001.

A golf flag and number 8 appeared, the latter of which promptly exited stage left leaving the flag waving in the breeze.

At this point the map was replaced by the official festival site, finally divulging the details we've all been waiting for.

A expected, the venue is none other than the Empire Polo Club in Indio but there was a small curveball with the name — it'll be called Festival 8, not Save the Date as I had presumed.

Now that the map is done, head on over to our follow-up post to learn all about Phish Festival 8 in Indio, CA.


Update: September 28, 2009

Today Phish launched a Festival 8 cover album teaser where they'll be slowly revealing the album for the musical costume. Learn more about the musical costume album teaser and see which albums have been eliminated right here on Jamtopia.


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Trey to buy Lorraine Bracco (Sopranos) house in California.

I’m wish they’d just play the Staple Center…
Los Angeles has tons of Hotels… and Food and everything… screw the camping… lets do it inside some where’s…
or how about where the Dead just played in L.A…. what’s the name of that place… The Forum?  huge parking lot at the Forum… and once again plenty of hotels in the area…

What should make us think that his map is done and CA is confirmed? Last I checked, states can come and go. Washington was removed and brought back and California was removed and brought back.

Given the fact that there was so much rumor around Indio, and they have been messing with us on this map the whole time, there is just as much chance that they will announce a location in CA as they wll in bringing out another animation that breaks off CA and moves to a new state.

I don’t think this is over yet. If it is that would be kind of a dull ending after all this and so I think they have more tricks in the bag to pull before this is over.

Why is there all this east coast/west coast hate? States are just made up lines….we’re all Americans and every area is beautiful in it’s own way. I would be happy to see Phish anywhere!!!  =)

Now that CA is all but confirmed, I suspect some trickery. I have been to several Phestivals on the East Coast (recent transplant from Beantown), and camping is essential to the scene.

Don’t be surprised if it is on some farm somewhere and not at the Polo Grounds. There is a LOT of land out here in CA…

Thanks to all who pointed out that CA is the Golden State and FL is the Sunshine State. Especially Haywood. You’re the man.

Too bad the sunshine state is Florida not California.

This is not over.  After much studying I have come to a conclusion.  Either Phish’s animation guys are ancy to start the celebration and have left a glitch, or they are leaving us another crazy clue.  Continue to load and watch the video multiple times and watch what other states besides California are left.  The first time I reloaded this morning I had South Carolina left with Cali.  About three loads later I saw West Virginia left with Cali.  My last load a minute ago found Idaho left with Cali.  What does this mean?  I am prepared to break bank and finally visit Califoria, but I am unsure of these occurances.

have we eliminated hawaii as a state now? and do any remember the shows they cancelled back in 99 at the pollo feilds on oahu?

Uh. Hawaii is still out there.  Also, California is not the Sunshine State you twit.  That takes away whatever credibility that you did have!

Cali would be sweet, but I don’t have that kind of money. Guess I’ll have to settle for 2 this year (settle? Hampton was awesome. Looking forward to Chicago. I can be happy with that).
Oh and I’ve been keeping up on all the posts here and “Come On!” What’s all this feuding between Phish Phans? I’m glad to see Phish play some spots they don’t normally hit. Going to a show is such a good experience that everyone that wants to should be able to be a part of it, at least once. And why bring that animosity to a Phish related event anyway. You know as soon as you walk through those gates, all the b.s. is gonna go out the window and all that will matter is Phish.

And also, California is the Golden State. Florida is the Sunshine State. Just so you know.

Let’s bring back some love and peace! We all know the world could use some.

Sleepy Andy Tracy

i think they are just leaving hawaii out.  did you have the sound turned on for the latest…map.  sounds like its the end.

yeah your right it still might be hawaii. lol yeah its done, deal with it, And on a laddr note i really dont give a shit if i’m being rude eastcoasters should be use to that kinda crap since they’ve spit it on this mesage board soo much. And just for the record i was born and raised in cali and have seen more eastcoast shows than westcoast shows. and there are some rude snobby ass people that i have ran into, especially in jersey.

im a little confused..it says on the coechella website there are no tents allowed?

Todd, California is not the sunshine state. But California here we come!

so yeah cali is back and the only one standing, but where in cali ??

have fun drinking beers in the fenced off beer corrals that are the law in cali and at empire.

Cheap hotel, all you will be doing is sleeping there. We will be festing all day and night. I had a similar thought about staying at La Quinta resort, but bagged it save $$$ to spend on goodies.

Hawaii is still floating out there.
This ain’t over yet, folks.
Garden grove, talk smack intelligently, please. You are doing a huge disservice to your state and the other folks from Cali that are actually cool.

UUUUHHHHHHHH…....moestavern, please report for your “previous response” tar and feathering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly I won’t be able to make it all the way out to Cali, but on the bright side, I’ll never have to meet Garden Grove Tim.  Seems like a fair trade to me.

Check my post back in the log about having tickets secured through the promoters!

There you go! Indio it is. I seem to remember telling you all that I had secured my tickets from AEG/Golden Voice about 3 weeks ago. Pretty funny everyone on the east coast was trash talking and now they have to come all the way out to the sunny west side!

Guess all of us that were in the know are feeling better about who our connects are. See you in cali!!

looks like Cali, who would have thought. but what’s the drill connection?

they never brought Hawaii into the picture.. whats up with that..

Phuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just booked for Cali.  Im from Boston and you have to love having family in the area.  Just booked my flight, requested time off, just need my tix and some nuggs.  Led Zepplin called it, “Going to California”.

Hawaii was never in the picture yet?????

i am nominating the greatful deads’ American beauty for the musical costume. and bob, phill mickey and bill will sit in for the entire album

Well, maybe theres a chance it will be in NoCal? that’d be nice I’ll be in school up there then, cause drive 18hrs to indio is pretty crazy, specially mid semster :P

Paul Kemp, I think that you are on to something…costume ideas…LOVE IT!!  I think I will go with the helium balloons with arrows.
Cali, here I come…oh wait, Im already here!!!!! wooooooohoooooooooo!!! Finally I dont have to spend a fortune on air fare and car rental to get to a PHESTIVAAAALLLLL Thank you PHISH!

Just for the record id like to apoligize for TIM from GARDEN GROVE.I know there was alot of dumb ass coments posted over the past weeks but this guy takes the cake.All you east coasters come on down,ill be packing fat bowls of kush for all(even TIM).The desert in fall is awsome especially at night.so leave all that eastcoast west coast shit for the gangstas and lets all get down.peace

What is this I keep reading about hotels!? Maybe it’s the west coast thats leaving these hotel posts…uuuuhhhhh, there is no staying at a hotel when at a Phish FESTIVAL! Camping is the east coast way and thats the only way Phish does it. If your planning on staying in a hotel room, don’t bother coming. Cali, here I come!

I am feeling optimistic for Indio and grateful for Cali being the location.  I can no longer go out on tour being the only bread winner bread of a new family of twins age 15 months.  To have a Phish reunion after five years and only get to see a single show at Shoreline, having a Halloween Phish festival in my backyard is beyond having a dream come true.  I went to IT in 2003 and remember thinking then there are not a lot of people that traveled farther.  Welcome all to the desert-you are in for a treat the venue and weather are cool and the locals including the law will be hospitable.

COSTUME Thread!!!!

I think everybody on this thread should go as one of the flash updates!

Girls should go as Vanna White!!!
Old dudes should go as GOD! from Michelangelo’s “The Creation of Adam”
Viking Costume
Also if you’re form Cali you could tie balloons filled with helium and draw the up down arrows
Giant bulls eye painted on your chest (darts update)
Sea Captain (clipper ship update)
Mermaid and Merman
Aliens
Green man on (segway)


Oh my god these arn’t clues to where the festival will be held they’re all costume ideas!!!!!

Your thoughts??????????

Tim from Garden Grove- Are you kidding me, man?  After half the posts on this site have referenced your juvenile BS about calling people “posers”, you’re still going on with this? Quite seriously, what are you, 16 years-old? Listen, I’m from Boston and I’m PSYCHED for some Cali Desert!  Dude- dry air, no rain, gorgeous weather… Not crazy about the $$ that imma have to drop on this trip, but I do have a feeling that this is gonna be QUITE worthwhile (not that ANY of this is a shock to me… I’ve had reservations in Palm Desert for like 10 days now!), ah well- this is gonna be AMAZING!!!

The only question that still remains for me is which reservation to keep… The mad cheap, not to shabby hotel for 4 nights @ a total of $250 (though an extra 15 minutes from Coachella, in Palm Springs) or the INSANE luxury Marriott Resort and Spa in the Palm Desert? I figure that I can always do that place when I’m NOT seeing Phish (and get better usage of the complex, golf courses, tennis courts, Gondola rides, etc) on a second vacation, or just put it all together in 1 trip and just make it INSANE! Any thoughts, phriends???

hopefully this east coast west coast thing can stop before the fest.  looks like a road trip to the shore.  lets all have a blast.

peace to all you cali folks…sorry I must miss this one…..congrats!

OMG!!! Has anyone realized that New Guinea has not been eliminated?Cross your fingers south pacific islanders! ;)

yaaaaaaaaaa get down fukin cali babey choke on that one you eastcoast posers and haters cali love baby

My prediction:

Hawaii comes in from the West Coast and gets bled out with California, which come together to fill up Texas.  It ain’t over yet, son.

Someone told me there’s a girl out there, with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair. La la la la.

The west is the best.

Get here and we’ll do the rest…..

THERE IS A GOD !!

all you east coast chodes that trashed California… HOW BOUT THEM APPLES?!?

Headline: Phish to save Californian economy in October!  If they want to tax the ganjh, they just have to allow out of state medical vouchers. Then again, I’ve already have some kush from San Fernando Valley. 
Are we sure it’s Indio, can’t they find some airstrip somewhere so we can fry in October.  Well, let’s hope El Nino is cool too… all I’m saying I don’t to be near any Santa Ana winds, steep sloped hillsides in a rainstorm, or by the San Andreas.  Last thought, finally the locals we’ll be ready for our traffic jam.

anyone on the east coast got any plans on how they are getting there..?

Woo-hoo! Cali, baby! I’m gonna enjoy that 1 hour drive to the festival.

Last update is out!!  thats right west coast baby!!

CALIFORNIA IT IS!!!!! CHECK THE ANIMATION… IT’S OFFICIAL…WELCOME EAST COASTERS!!  WELCOME MID-WEST!!! WELCOME WEST COAST!!!  WELCOME 3 DAYS OF HEAVEN!  IT’S OFFICIAL!!

Its INDIO!

Check the update.

ITs official cali here we come!!!!! The final update just hit!!!!!!!!

Drilled out every state and finally bled washington back into CA!!!!!!

OH GOD is it actually official hawaii is still up!

drill comes in and destroys the map. cali stands alone!!

The costume was given away with the map.

Tommy by The Who.

COSTUME Thread!!!!

I think everybody on this thread should go as one of the flash updates!

Girls should go as Vanna White!!!
Old dudes should go as GOD! from Michelangelo’s “The Creation of Adam”
Viking Costume
Also if you’re form Cali you could tie balloons filled with helium and draw the up down arrows
Giant bulls eye painted on your chest (darts update)
Sea Captain (clipper ship update)
Mermaid and Merman
Aliens
Green man on (segway)


Oh my god these arn’t clues to where the festival will be held they are all costume ideas!!!!! 

Any thoughts guys

what’s up east coast bitches..back in Cali!

jay you take the cake on idiotic posts.  Probably on being an idiot and having no life also.

Jay, that is a terrible thing to say. all of this confusion and waiting around should make you love them and appreciate their creativity even more!
i feel like a crack addict as well, sitting at my computer hitting refresh on this and phish.com…its been so long since the last update! something needs to happen soon…

whats everyones thoughts on costumes?

I NEED AN UPDATE!!!!

So… in Indio when the campsites are full (I heard 8,000 capacity), and the hotels are all booked up (I heard most are already anyway), where the hell do the rest of us go????  I’m from Boston and am down to fly just about anywhere, just please let me camp.  And I’m in the creative stages of making a giant “Fluff” marshmellow jar to wear on my head.  Say hi if you see me (:

http://tinyurl.com/naxkzz

Indio.  Boohoo, too far for me.

Remember phish’s summer tour announcement, when the google earth image zoomed down onto a farm field in Texas (I think Texas?).  I say that is the spot.

As much as I would *love* for the festival to be in Georgetown, TX as I live about 10 miles south of that farm, I will be absolutely shocked if that happens.

WILCO (Williamson County Police) are well known for being hardasses about everything.  I think you would see a record for arrests at a Phish concert if this is the location.

Jay from ATL - who is the one with no life? one who makes ridiculous comments on this board from time to time, or one who is addicted to reading all of them everyday? I’d go with the latter.  I’d say if you’re so sick of it then do us all a favor and leave the scene, homeboy

see everyone in soCAL

A Phish festival with out ample camping space for 85,000+ just won’t happen.
No denial here, Truth. I’ll be there no matter where it is. Looks like all the Indio supporters are in denial that it won’t be anywhere BUT Indio.
Think about it, dude. A Phish festival where the majority of people will have to get hotel rooms?? NO WAY.

I like the way you think Ms for phish…sounds like my exact plans for the festival, no matter where it is…
And yeah, it has to be a good spot for all to camp…fuck a hotel for a PHISH festival!
I can’t wait for the end of all this speculation…I think I’ve been online longer than I’ve actually worked this week!
And all you east coast vs. west coast brawlers…keep it up, you all are hilarious!!  Stuck in a juvenile world, but hilarious…we got all the tasty nugz & smokin’ hot women out west anyway…

I can’t wait for the show to be announced so I can get my tickets. I also can’t wait for the show to be announced so I can kill my addiction to coming to this post and reading all of the idiotic comments from brainless people who obviously have no life whatsoever. It almost makes me not like the band anymore. Almost.

Heard that we will find out tomorrow from good source.

im not gonna assume where it is, even though i’d love to just imagine all the crazy places phish could play, but im pulling for datelan, az. food, gas, hotels (however far they may be) etc will be cheaper than in CA, indio is lame! (what city gets away with an annual music fest with a music curfew at midnight!?!?! real parties don’t start till at least 1) and it would be way cool for all of us to make our own city in bumf*ck arizona. there would be less security because there wouldn’t be a town to protect from spunyons. GO DATELAN, AZ!!!

reading all the comments and hittin refresh on the map may get me fired soon… if its in cali i need to find some fellow east coast fans to caravan out with…whose goin to darien and/or SPAC? and has an RV…festival on the beach would be amazing, but idk how feasible

thoughts on costumes?

Come on NOW!!!! Lets have another update already!

Has anybody thought that the festival might be on the water somewhere?  the save the date title and date appears via a watery animation.  Also, when you move your cursor over the titles it moves-indicating some importance?  and all the water references too!

I agree with BBFC that why are we discussing hotels?  This is a festival! Show me the camping Indio has to accomidate 85,000+ people?  If the band wants everyone to get hotel (which the Indio area actually COULD support since Palm Springs, Palm Dessert and surrounding area hotels are numerous) why call it a festival?  They would just call it a three day Halloween run.  Right?

Brooklyn Tim. You are in denial. See you in Indio if you can make it.

I’m with the big black furry creature. I’m pretty confident the location will be somewhere with unlimited space for camping. Its a phish festival. Why stay in a hotel? Ill be meandering around the campgrounds aimlessly at all hours of the night every night melting my face in a ridiculous costume and not thinking about the outside world. Anyone else??

Bah, they took down the link I posted. It is still in Google’s cache though. Probably didn’t help that I sent that link to 50+ people….lol. I’m guessing that either their server got bogged, or someone “official” contacted them and told them to remove it.

Hookah posted the same link and it seems to still work. Just copy and paste it into a browser. Looks like they just took down the “phishpackage” link.

Still not holding my breath, I’d love Indio, but I also love shiny new Wiis too…

Those hotel packages don’t mean anything. They just want to be prepared IF it is held there.

Garden Grove Tim…there is sand in other parts of the country, dude. It doesn’t “point” to anything.

Who knows where this map animation is headed. It is driving me quite mad though. But I do get a kick out of all the Indio believers reaching to tie anything and everything back to Indio.

why is everybody so blind to see that it is somwhere in the cali desert. OR THE NEVADA DESERTall you eastcoast punks deal with it ! heres somthing to wrap your mind around , WHAT STATE HAS THE MOST SAND   CALI OR NEVADA

LOKK AT THE MAP PEPLE ITS SAND COLR 4 CRYIN OUT LOUD

Home of the ball…. IT WAS at SPAC in a parking lot… BUT not in 99!! ha ha… nothing like a good GROUND SCORE to brighten up a night!!

5 String…I’d say “that must be you JOSH” but he isn’t planning on going…. should we talk this out over drinks at the Sail?? I didn’t even think
about making the drive longer.. you are right…
FLY TO LA everyone..
My thoughts.. after talking to some friends tody again about this.. they assure me it is INDIO and for some reason.. I trust them!
Maybe my luck in changing!!! Maybe the boys have heard my cries. I haven’t been able to drive to a Phish show (in my neck of the woods) since the Darien show in 2000. MAN!! Either way… we are close enough to most anywhere west coast!!

AND west coasters… SERIOUSLY… red rocks… gorge…. We are getting some GREAT shows this summer! PHISH AT RR!!! man… anyone want to gift me some tickets to that one.. OH and find a babysitter for me too?? ha ha

Frank, do you really think you have to REQUEST Frankenstein on Halloween after a 5 year hiatus?  No sign necessary.  And a friend of mine works at that Hampton in, as a matter of fact, and HE says:  ”                                                                                                                                                 
So what do you have to say about that?

Am I the only one who finds it retarded that the word “hotel” is being muttered in the same sentence as “Phish Phestival?” I’m all for Cali, but if Indio means no camping, then no thanks.

I hope its in Cali because its only an hour and a half from my house. But i just read some stuff on another site about it possibly being at the NM, Albuquerque balloon festival park.  I thought that all signs pointed toward Cali but then i realized it got taken off the map by Hot Air Balloons! is this a clue that its being held in NM? and then the next a graphic showed a dump truck with a bunch of sand. im pretty sure New Mexico has plenty of sandy…...

Just to let y’all know, my buddy is good friends with Brad Sands (Phish’s tour manager) and he confirmed that the festival will be taking place in Southern California.  Looks like I got a long road trip ahead of me! See y’all at Coachella! Peace

Yaakov Shabtai from Los Angeles/Israel || Jul. 21, 2009 at 04:16 PM | #

Hampton Inn & Suites Palm Desert
74-900 Gerald Ford Drive, Palm Desert, California, USA 92211
Tel: +1-760-340-1001 Fax: +1-760-340-9050

Call them up, ask about the Phish festival…. The manager said everything will be finalized tomorrow. “Hypothetically, if the contract is signed, we will have special rates.”
 

I called them also and got same response.  Im confused.  They haven’t signed contracts yet.  Hopefully they are pushing for some rule changes before signing.

does anybody else think STS9, umphrey’s etc… are postponing announcing their fall schedule so they don’t double book in the same region as phish?

Remember phish’s summer tour announcement, when the google earth image zoomed down onto a farm field in Texas (I think Texas?).  I say that is the spot.

Washington is ridiculous. They will not play a festival in the NW. My bet is still east coast. Cali (not coachella) would have been nice though. Guess I could still pull for some nevada desert or a so called decomissioned AFB in Arizona. Lets just find out so we can plan our travels please!!

Kinda weird…seemed like the site was glitching cuz oregon came back when sand was poured into WA, then I refreshed and oregon was gone again, but Cali was back, then I refreshed AGAIN and the map was back to the way it was w/ the sand truck update….the final two times I refreshed, GA came back on the second to last refresh and on the last refresh the map was back to how it is now….fucking weird…I know…....personally I don’t care where it is…I’ll be there, taking care of my shoes…....

has anyone noticed that the color of the states resemble the color of sand, and thats what the truck dumped into washington all points to INDIO MY PHRIENDS

Dear Merlo,

You’re an idiot.

Thanks,
Me

Hampton Inn & Suites Palm Desert
74-900 Gerald Ford Drive, Palm Desert, California, USA 92211
Tel: +1-760-340-1001 Fax: +1-760-340-9050

Call them up, ask about the Phish festival…. The manager said everything will be finalized tomorrow. “Hypothetically, if the contract is signed, we will have special rates.”

ACTUAL REAL EVIDENCE ABOUT PHISH FESTIVAL LOCATION


https://secure.hilton.com/en/hp/res/choose_dates.jhtml?spec_plan=LHHMVP&spec_plan_desc=3 Day Festival Package&hotel=PLMHSHX&arrivalMonth=10&arrivalDay=30&arrivalYear=2009&departureMonth=11&departureDay=2&departureYear=2009

GO TO THE LINK

THE HAMPTON INN NEAR INDIO HAS ACCIDENTALLY MADE THEIR 3 DAY FESTIVAL PACKAGE AVAILABLE ALREADY

that dirt track in Ventura… I’m sure that’s exactly where the band wants to spend their Halloween…

I think everyone should wear a sign at the festival with their jamtopia name on it!  This way we all know who really sucks the big one, who’s got the heady nugs, who’s on this site for just a little input, and who is so obsessed with this shit that we will be forwarned not to associate with these lunatics!!!

Oh, and we also may get a few song requests if somebody puts u up on their shoulders close enough for the band to see ur sign…......... FRAAAAAAANKenstein!!!!!!!!

I mean, come on, it’s Halloween!

tim? It’s in Indio. Cool. I live in SD. I didnt realize that it would be so close.

i’ve completely given up all my theories. there is no teling where it will be now that they are pulling crazy shit like bringing states back. i feel like a crack addict checking this map!! phish is messing with my head dude. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS. i think california would be NUTS but it would be a really super long drive from where i am. florida would be nuts but i don’t think it will be there either. i really have no f-ing idea where it will be but please not some small texas town, cause i don’t wanna be stuck in jail when the sun goes down =)

the verification we have to enter to post these comments is my birthday….weeeeeeeird. can’t wait to see you all on halloween!! hopefully not in damn texas

Cali won’t be coming back on the map.  Indio is a stupid name for a town to be on a concert shirt.  Just keep singing “poor heart” Cali, Limestone here we come!!!

Updated again.  Same barge pulled up, same truck took out a few more states, then deposited them back into Washington, AGAIN.  This is craziness.

ryan the reason why they hate is bcause there jealous of sunny skie’s & smokin hot laide’s and nugz are leagal under circamstane’s, why else hate. but reguardless they are coming out here anyway because most of us know it is in indio.

Ventura, Ca
LOL in my dreams
Why do they hate so cal
i cant get a ride up north and they completley skipped L.A.
this sucks

Hey COLIN,theres a reason phish doesnt go to texas.Last time they were there so many people got thrown in jail,it was ridiculous.Just like the signs say all over texas"DONT MESS WITH TEXAS”.trust me we wont…..

hmm. I thought others were nuts for seeing states that were filled in that actually weren’t. Now I thought I saw Wyoming was colored in yellow.

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