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Phish Save the Date! Halloween Teaser Map

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Yesterday Phish confirmed what had been circulating on the rumor train for weeks — that they'll be hosting a 3-day Halloween Festival from October 30th to November 1st, 2009.

See above for the custom announcement from Phish.com. The map is being updated every few days with a new animated clue, slowly revealing the festival location and potentially the name:

“Save the Date”

Empire Polo Club in Indio, CA

Speaking of which, all signs are pointing to the Phish Halloween Festival being held at the stunning Empire Polo Field in Indio, California, home of the annual Coachella festival and fertile spot for growing dates.

The Coachella / Empire Polo Field rumor is strong enough that nearby hotel rooms and rentals are pretty much sold out. And apparently there's already huge demand for Naked Wizard costumes.

Read on more analysis and speculation about the Phish Festival 2009.


Update: June 28, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Nothing confirmed of course, but word on the street is the band will be playing eight (yes, 8) sets over the 3-day festival. Two sets Friday, three sets Saturday, and three sets again on Sunday including an early one. Take it with a grain of salt as I'm only about 50/50 with the rumors on Jamtopia.

And while I'm speculating, the latest I've heard or read from the few remaining sources that have any credibility, Fall Tour 2009 is going to be a whopper. Supposedly Phish will play a 26 show Fall Tour ending in North Carolina in November. And that'll be followed up by a (rumored-to-death) 4-night stand in Miami for New Years.

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a heck of a lot of shows and if it pans out this way I can only hope it doesn't “drag on beyond the point of vibrancy and health.” Oh wait, I can also hope they stop by the UIC Pavilion for at least a few nights!

Provided the rest of this info is correct, you can look for an announcement on or around July 4th.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Just got a comment from Johnny Goff (aka @PhishNQuips) saying that Phish will appear on Conan / The Tonight Show on October 28th. Take it for what it's worth.

::wonders if he can program Tivo that far in advance::


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Not sure how this didn't come to my attention earlier, but a day-and-half-old thread on PT has plenty of spoilers for what's going to happen on the map based on the findings of mr_wonderful.


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Sorry. You need to Flash to see this Phish Halloween Festival Save the Date spoiler.

From the looks of it we'll be seeing a merman swimming from somewhere near North Carolina to Colorado, and an alien zapping Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Nevada before going “home” to New Mexico. Here's a composite image from another intrepid PT'er showing how it all comes together.

Notably, the band has removed these elements from the live Flash file, so there's always the chance they'll change things up just to keep it interesting.

Still not sure how I feel about having seen this in advance, but I know for sure I've got tons of respect for the creative concept and love that the band is back to their old playful ways.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Okay, I wish I could take credit for this but alas it was pointed out by someone else. Take a gander at this snippet from the “Economy” section of the Indio, CA Wikipedia page:

Indio has been one of Southern California's most important agricultural regions, once responsible for a large percentage of the nation's date crop; however, with all the new residential and recreational development, the date groves are now more limited to south and southeast of Indio. Even the grove of date palms at the Riverside County Date Festival fairgrounds has been torn out by the county.[citation needed]

There are citrus groves and vegetable fields surrounding the city limits, but rapid development of new housing tracts and golf courses in the “East Valley” in the 1990s and 2000s has displaced most of the agricultural space.

Turns out “Save the Date” might not just be a directive, but also the actual name of the Phish Halloween Festival, a brilliant pun, and a potential cause marketing angle for the Fest. If this is the case, somewhere out there a marketing genius lives among us. Well-played whoever you are.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Not sure when, but some time today the map fell victim to an infestation of red fire ants who devoured North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Washington.

red fire ant

Once again the super-sleuths at PT are doing a great job of reverse engineering this concept. Turns out about 10 years ago a turf farm in Indio, CA was invaded by South American fire ants prompting eradication measures by the state Food and Agriculture Department.

If the fire ants are not eradicated, state officials could eventually order a quarantine to isolate the insects, which devour fruit, flowers and tree bark, officials said.

Apparently the problem has only gotten worse since then. A long-term eradication program that started in 2000 was suspended in 2004 due to lack of funding and as recently as 2008 the fire ant infestation was reportedly spreading eastward.

The map version of California remains (not surprisingly) unharmed by the animated ants, but the overall creative concept continues to prove itself to be extremely well thought out.


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Holy crap. I think I just figured out the clue to the first animation in the Halloween Festival map — the one where Oklahoma, Idaho, West Virginia and New Hampshire seemed to simply deflate.

My theory: the animation represents a groundwater plume. More specifically, a plume with an overly-high nitrate concentration.

The nitrate plume is a potential threat to deeper underlying groundwater via improperly constructed, sealed, or abandoned wells.

I'll give you one guess where you can find these poisoned plumes… that right, the Indio Subbasin of the Coachella Valley Groundwater Basin. At least according this report from the California Department of Water Resources which I've quoted above.

dates growing on a vine

Presumably, if left unchecked, these nitrate plumes will ruin the water that's used to irrigate the date crop, not to mention the drinking water.

So at this point I'm going on record: I'll buy you a Nintendo if the Phish Festival 2009 isn't in Indio, CA. Save the friggin' date, and book your flight already!


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Today the map was updated again, and this time Kansas and Ohio were unceremoniously yanked from contention by a clipper-type boat.

dates growing on a vine

And again the folks on PT are all over it, quickly surmising that this is a reference to “The Lost Ship of the Desert” — the subject of legends about ancient ships buried in, you know it, California's Colorado Desert.

The [Los Angeles] Examiner also published a story [in 1919] of a Spanish galleon half-buried in the sands near Indio, its hold bursting with a cargo of precious stones.

So like the forthcoming UFO, this one isn't quite a direct reference to Saving Dates, but it still has Indio written all over it.


Update: July 2, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Well for whatever reason the map isn't doing anything for me, but word on the street is that an alien Vannah White cyclops has come in and taken out Oregon, Wyoming, Illinois, and Pennsylvania Wheel of Fortune style.

dates growing on a vine

Right now the Indio connection is a little questionable, but one PT thread links to this article about date festivals that does mention the letter-turning temptress:

…and above the counter, there are still pictures of the Shields themselves outfitted in safari gear and helmets, as well as hand-colored black-and-white photos of pinup girls holding bushels of dates and caressing date palms with the aplomb of Vanna White.

Pretty tenuous for sure, and given the previous animations I'm guessing there's a more compelling reason for this one hidden out there somewhere.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I think I figured out the Vanna White animation, and it's got nothing to do with Vanna White. The important part is that she's a Cyclops!

Let me preface by saying this is WAY over my head and I'm not sure I totally understand it well enough to explain, but I'll take a stab.

Apparently cyclops is not just a one-eyed bastard living in a cave but also a newly identified part of the “common symbiosis signaling (Sym) pathway” in plants. And best I can gather from this report, certain mutations in the cyclops portion of the Sym pathway can help plants work harder to extract nutrients from soil.

Because of these benefits, scientists are working to better understand and clone the more successful cyclops mutations.

A number of plants have entered beneficial interactions with microorganisms that facilitate the uptake of nitrogen and phosphorus from the soil. [The authors] provide new insights into a novel genetic component in the plant that allows the establishment of these nutrient-capturing symbioses… Our challenge now is to take this genetics into a coherent understanding of the mechanisms of symbiosis signaling.
How CYCLOPS keeps an eye on plant symbiosis by Ward Capoen and Giles Oldroyd

If the scientists can pull this off, not only will the crops be more healthy, but farmers won't need to use as much fertilizer which is expensive and emits a ton of greenhouse-gasses.

date palm leaf infected with bayoud disease

This same type of genetic control may also have something to do with preventing bayoud disease in date palms, but I'm not exactly sure how it all ties together.

Either way, if the above is anything even close to the correct explanation, this is yet again another brilliant clue tied right back to the Save the Date theme.

In other news, I've had a few people email asking if I knew what the background music to the map is. Turns out it's part of the 30+ minute Wolfman's from 10/31/98. This monster includes multiple jam segments, tons of teases, Fishman on vacuum, and more.

And to wrap up tonight's update, it seems we've got our first parody of the map. Not even gonna comment on this one.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Some alternate Fall tour date rumors have started making the rounds on a variety of message boards, one of which comes complete with photographic “evidence.”

Phish leaked fall tour dates

This rumored 20-stop tour schedule has the band playing the Hollywood Bowl, Warfield (the night after Save the Date), Austin Music Hall, Hampton Coliseum, three nights at the Spectrum, and two nights at MSG among others. Not to mention the Tonight Show and of course the Save the Date festival.

If these dates pan-out I'll feel a little bad that the info I posted above was wrong, but I'll sure feel great about going back to Rosemont Horizon.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Another update, another three states out of the running.

Thor wind god

This time it's bad news for Tennessee, Virginia, and Kentucky, all of which were blown off the map by the winds of Thor (or some other wind-related god).

And of course as luck would have it, about 3 seconds of Googling brings a curious factoid… date palms in nature can be pollinated by wind.

Not really sure what exactly this has to do with saving dates though, as it's apparently been common practice to hand-pollinate date palms for centuries “to avoid wasting a lot of space and energy growing sufficient male plants” — at least according to Wikipedia.

Will keep you posted if I learn anything else. In the mean time, here are some interesting facts about date palms.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

A few theories about the wind have made the rounds on PT — one that it's a reference to the Santa Ana winds and another that it's a reference to the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm. I was even working up a theory involving wind propogation of Date mites that can ruin a crop in no time.

But a comment left below by someone named Neil stopped me dead in my tracks.

Creation of Adam

Neil points out that the god in the animation isn't Thor at all, but the biblical God as depicted in Michelangelo's “The Creation of Adam” on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The famous fresco illustrates the Book of Genesis story when God formed Adam out of “the dust of the ground” and then “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life”, causing him to “become a living soul” (Gen. 2:7, KJV, emphasis mine).

As Neil further reminds us, after God created Adam he brought forth trees from the ground (Gen. 2:9), one of which was the Tree of Life.

And guess what type of tree many cultures and biblical scholars believe to be the Tree of Life?

You guessed it, the date palm. Imagine that.


Update: July 7, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Looks like Mike just rolled in on his Segway and mowed down another trio of states — North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska. Don't foresee an obvious Indio connection, but you know I'll post an update if I find one.

And I'll also post an update if I can find a patent for a Segway lawn mower. Phenomenal idea.


Update: July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Two things to update this morning.

First, in the spirit of Occam's razor I think I may have overthought the clue to the first animation having stumbled upon a simpler solution on Wikipedia's Choachella Valley page.

Geysers.

Seismic activity is what triggers earthquakes, a common natural but on occasion, destructive phenomena in the Coachella Valley, and fault lines causes hot water springs or geysers to rise from the ground.

Funny because I had originally been looking for geysers when I found the nitrogen plumes.

Mike Gordon Segway Lawn Mower

In other news, been thinking a bit more about the Mike Segway animation and may have stumbled across something there too.

Something beyond the fact that the Coachella Valley is riddled with golf courses, not to mention the Empire Polo Fields themselves, and that the whole area needs tons of lawn mowing.

Monster Garage Mustang Lawn Mower

It's possible the Segway lawn mower may be a subtle nod to Palm Desert-based sod supplier West Coast Turf.

The company, headquartered a mere nine miles outside of Indio, helped Jesse James's Monster Garage create “Switchblade.” It's the Mustang convertible lawn mower seen at right.

Now that may be a bit of a stretch, but I can think of at least one place where any type of lawn mower, be it Mustang, Seqway, or plain-old John Deere would be completely useless — Datelan Army Airfield.


Update: July 10, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Alaska blowing up

Alaska, we hardly knew ye. So sorry to see you go.

Details to follow, I've got “real” work to do.


Update: July 11, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Try as I might, I'm just not making any sort of connection between Alaska and Indio. But there's still plenty of potential symbolism to ruminate on.

For starters you've got the obvious — Alaska, the song (and background track for the animation) failed to make the cut for the new Phish album Joy.

Flaming Bomb Alaska

Then you've got the delicious desert item bombe Alaska (see at right) — a decadent variation of baked Alaska that adds a dark rum flambé to the already delicious combo of ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.

And given the detonation's proximity to lovely Wasila, Alaksa, one can't help but think this might be some sort of social commentary on a political career up in smoke.

Meanwhile, if you have read the comment thread below you're missing out on some great entertainment value, not to mention a simmering East Coast / West Coast feud.


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 10:30 am

WOW!

California Hot Air Balloon

California (along with the bulk of my credibility if this pans out) was just airlifted off the map by a fleet of hot air balloons!

For the moment, I'm stumped. Totally appreciate that much of the speculation above was far-reaching, but at least a few of those animations point straight to Indio. Not to mention the incredible array of “in the know” folks saying Indio was a lock.

If this proves nothing else it's that Phish likes to keep you guessing, and that's about all I have left to do. Keep guessing.

Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for a free Nintendo Wii giveaway when the final location is announced — assuming they don't have one more twist up their sleeve. Part of me thinks California may have just been airlifted away for safe-keeping :)


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Well needless to say this latest animation has lit-up the Phish message boards like a Christmas tree, but really only a few things worth noting (not including the picture at right which is just for fun).

Hot Air Balloon Indio CA

First, as ZZYZX was (I believe) the first to identify on PT, California is not really gone if you zoom out on the map. Now this could just be lazy programming, moving an object off the stage instead of actually killing it off. But either way it's led to plenty of additional speculation that Cali's just hovering up there safely, waiting for a triumphant return once the rest of the states are eliminated.

Second, the latest animation has resulted in at least one public wager for a 3 day festival pass.

Finally, and perhaps most curiously, is this recent tweet from Kevin Shapiro that reminds us to “never trust a prankster.”

Can't imagine what he means by that.


Update: July 14, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Sorry for the late update. I've been having trouble with my AT&T DSL at home so couldn't see the animation last night. I did however call them and after explaining that I wasn't able to do my “very important work” they gave me a $100 credit!

Fishman Pinball Machine

Turns out last night the entire map turned into a pinball machine and the ball took out Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Montana, Michigan, and Utah before dropping into Lake Michigan.

Plus a little bonus at the end showed the ball to be super-imposed with Fishman in a Viking hat a la Fall Tour 98.

In the spirit of completeness, I set out to find an Indio connection to see what would turn up. Answer, not too much.

I did however find this cool vintage Palm Springs pinball machine made by (Vegas-based) Bally back in 1953. Learned that IPD is not just an acronym for Indio Police Department but also Internet Pinball Database. And found a Plinko like contraption called Fantasy 5 Dream Machine that was part of the California lottery's TV show The Big Spin. Don't miss the previous segment from that episode to watch a lady win $3 million bucks.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, as most people have noticed California is no longer “floating” above the map in the latest Teaser.swf file. No big surprise. It was just conveniently stashed off-stage at the end of the hot air balloon animation.

Hot Air Balloon Pumpkin Mask

Not content with just viewing the .swf, some folks on PT have continued to decompile the Teaser, an effort that's been light on clues since the UFO / merman incident. But this latest decompiled swf revealed the asset seen at right, a large image sprite with a mundane name, Shape6.jpg.

The asset hasn't generated as much speculation as one might think, despite the fact that it bears mild resemblance to a pumpkin, is the same design as the balloons that carried away California, and is significantly larger than the other balloon .

Not that this couldn't just be a left-over masking asset from the previous animation, but you know I can't help but speculate :)

One more quick note — today is the last day to enter Jamtopia's Mike Gordon bobblehead giveaway. Could be your only chance to score this great piece of Phish memorabilia.


Update: July 17, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Darts

In the biggest state-take-down yet, the latest animation finds nine states — Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana, and New Mexico — getting targeted and subsequently taken out by darts.

It only took me about 20 minutes of research to tie this back to date palms, and like the Cyclops above it has something to do with plant genetics and breeding.

Specifically, I think it's a reference to something called Diversity Arrays Technology, or DArT.

Diversity Arrays Technology Logo

[DArT] will make comprehensive genome profiles an affordable and powerful tool to accelerate plant breeding.
cropscience.org.au

In short, DArT is a relatively cheap and easy way to analyze plant genomes. Armed with this knowledge, scientists should be able cultivate plants that are more disease resistant, better adapted to local environments, and more generally allow for healthier crops and higher yields.

Haven't been able to find specific references to DArT being used on date palms, but presumably this application would be a positive step towards reducing or even preventing (the previously mentioned) Bayoud Disease.

Now I realize that California is gone from the map, so say what you will about this analysis, but either way I'm still having fun sleuthing and plan to keep at it until the very end.

And speaking of gone from the map… Michigan seems to have re-appeared (for now), though presumably only because the developer failed to include it in the _deadStates array.


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

With respect to saving dates, there's an interesting comment below from Austin resident BathtubGin09 who points to a 2008 Texas Department of Agriculture alert entitled Date Palm Lethal Decline. Per the article:

Recently the Texas Department of Agriculture adopted an Emergency Quarantine in Cameron, Hidalgo, Nueces and Willacy counties of Texas against Date Palm Lethal Decline disease caused by a phytoplasma.

And apparently most of the date palm trees infected with the so-called Texas Phoenix Palm Decline are coming in from Florida. Looks like Indio isn't the only place that could use some DArT :)


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Darts

A dump truck just came in by boat, picked up Missouri, Arkansas, and Colorado, then redeposited Washington back on the map.

And with that, this whole chicanery just got a whole lot more interesting (or less, depending I guess on who you ask) given that the map now has the proven ability to return what it hath once taken away. Can't wait to see how this wraps up…


Update: July 21, 2009 @ 8:30 am

No map updates, but a late-night Tweet from someone (presumably) at The Chopping Block is worth noting:

Phish promo almost done. Starting to suck the life out of me when I leave work at 2am. But fuck it's a cool spot we did for them.
@nathancali via Twitter

I guess it's obvious that the map is“almost done,” but this really helps me appreciate all the work that's gone into it. And I gotta agree that it's a cool spot.


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

And then there was one.

Darts

Tonight Phish brought back the Golden State after purging the remaining contenders with a standard-issue power drill.

I was a little surprised the hot air balloons didn't return, but the drill still entertained. The animation played-out with applause and cat calls, ultimately drilling through (recently revived) Washington which leaked South into California.

Meanwhile I wonder if the drill was a late addition in response to the recently passed California budget which could allow for offshore drilling as “a new source of desperately needed cash.”

Maybe we'll never know, but you gotta figure there's one more animation to come — the one that reveals the Halloween Festival location, ticket info and other details.

And if we're lucky, Fall Tour dates!


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

INDIO!

California with golf flag in Indio

Tonight the Phish Halloween map came to an end, falling apart as California came front-and-center accompanied by 2001.

A golf flag and number 8 appeared, the latter of which promptly exited stage left leaving the flag waving in the breeze.

At this point the map was replaced by the official festival site, finally divulging the details we've all been waiting for.

A expected, the venue is none other than the Empire Polo Club in Indio but there was a small curveball with the name — it'll be called Festival 8, not Save the Date as I had presumed.

Now that the map is done, head on over to our follow-up post to learn all about Phish Festival 8 in Indio, CA.


Update: September 28, 2009

Today Phish launched a Festival 8 cover album teaser where they'll be slowly revealing the album for the musical costume. Learn more about the musical costume album teaser and see which albums have been eliminated right here on Jamtopia.


740 Comments so far   

no can do Frank. but i will meet you there. anyone else in for vegas?? i heard phish is playing a concert on halloween. anyone else hear that too? pretty sure they will announce where it is at some point. but if you really need to know before then talk to FRANK. tell the people what they wanna hear FRANK! and give em a big FRAAAAAANK!

Jersey is gone…keep guessing people

Um..Jersey’s Out…Can I get holla for TX….

Isnt New Jersey Trey’s Home State??

Who knows, maybe the boys would choose Vineland as a middle finger to the Coachella promoters:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/01/25/vineland-festival-nixed-after-coachella-announces-all-points-west/

A) everyone take a toke or several and chill the fuck out. Phestival is gonna be sick regardless of location. B) after giving it more consideration, I still stand by my mississippi theory however I neglected to consider how conservative our goverment is here… Not 100% sure a phish festival would be a go. Also the threat of a hurricane should be considered. I still think alabama, mississippi, and especially arkansas (wakarusa venue)are quite possible. I also heard something about an indian reservation which good ole MS has plenty of. Florida is a stupid theory for a few reasons: they’ve played a fest there before, rumors about new years show there, and extreme risk of hurricane. I’m putting my money on the south (ms al ak) or the desert (nm az..possibly nv) only time will tell!!

Dallas guy-thank you for that information. I knew nothing of an oxford show.

Also someone mentioned how all these CA phans are whining about getting “no love” (stop feeling so entitled) and how in reality the south recieves by far the least love. Thank you for clearing that up. These indio freaks are getting on my nerves. Don’t believe any “insider” info on the damn message boards. These are probably phish-hating panic fans making shit up just to mess with our heads.

That fake photoshopped map is an insult to the flash designers that are putting these animations together. Looks like a bunch of Jersey kids doing their best to start their own rumor. Must have run out of Axe body spray and gotten bored.

seriously when are they going to update?! they didnt yesterday and u know they wont over the weekend..i NEED to know!!!  i feel like a damn crack addict lol

I have heard it was in Vineland, NJ,  the original place ALL Points West was suppose to take place.

BIG NEWS HERE>>> my brother-in-law who also happens to be my blood-brother told me that Dale Earnhardt Jr confirmed that Talledega Superspeedway will be the site for the Halloween Festival. It has also been confirmed that the musical costume will be Lynyrd Skynyrd’s “Second Helping”. That’s official folks!
“Gentlemen, start your engines!” - Trey

they’re not playing vegas. they already did vegas on halloween before. that would be decidedly anti-climactic, especially since there’s no camping and it would basically be a three night run in vegas. big deal. what a letdown that would be, after all this suspense.

Jersey, seriously? This doesn’t make any sense to me. Nothing says phestival like crappy weather in the armpit of America. Come on boys, you can do better than that. I really hope this isn’t true….sounds like a disaster.

ISAAC!!! U could seriously fool some fools in vegas…ud fit right in.  I got a great idea, I fly, u buy! i must say this is definitely the headiest phish site EVER!!!

Oh, and, FRAAAAAAAAANK!!!!!!!

Dan,

I live 10 mins from the Spectrum. Pearl Jam is playing there in OCT but there has been no mention of that being the spectrums “LAST” show. Several of my friends are in the local ticket sellers union and the WOS is that a three or four night run will happen and more than likely will “CLOSE” Americas Showplace.

apparently Vineland, NJ was the last sighting of a certain “devil son” who was born to “Mother leeds”....that connects the supposed festival name to Vineland as a festival title…..but dont those eyes look just like the eyes from Vegas halloween?

Phor All Phans Phrom BAMA:

Talk about a surprise…
A Phish festival in Alabama would surprise us all.  They have played six total shows in the state…  Thats twelve sets.  They will likely play eight sets at this festival.  Just remember there are heads everywhere…

I WOULD LOVE IT if the boys played in Vineland, NJ (about 30 minutes from Marco’s house) but I think it’s a long shot.

-ME

mike I think that could be true but it also could be as solid as the axl story! if it there, phish have just dissed cali one more time.question what is the mother leeds is that the nameofthe place there playing. i saw that 3 day’s ago on pt.

Vineland, NJ, huh…as a “Northeasterner” from around those parts that would be easy for me, but I hope the boys realize that it rains quite often that time of year and could possibly snow if we get a nice cold front.  Yeah, it could just as well be nice and warm, but why risk it when there are warmer parts of the country.  I was looking forward to a trip out west to get away from the cold and enjoy the sunshine.  Oh well, I’ll bust out my winter gear if I have to!

oh yeah alabama or miss. at that time would be gorgeous and the weather would be amazing..I doubt its going to happen just bc im not that lucky but thanks to ms for phish for bringing that up

see you all in newwww jerseeeeeey

i seriously doubt central park, zero chance this thing is happening anywhere near a major city, let alone new york city, too many laws, waaay too many people

no spectrum fall dates. announced today that Pearl Jam is closing out the spectrum on OCT 30th. so call BS when someone says nov spectrum.

Je vous verrai tout dans mon quart de la Ville.

October 30-31, November 1-    Central Park, NYC.        Halloween set- THRILLER.    You heard it here first kids.

ok heres my scenerio on how the map will play ou i think it cali will come back but it will not float in on ballons.  I think every state is going to go black and tthen they will start coming back little by little and the state that the only state that is black in the end will be the location witch will maybe cali what do you guy’s think of this.

Fall in Alabama is hard to beat.  Plus, who would expect a Bama show? Tons of pharmland in the south guys.

Here’s the 2nd half of what I was going to say… but you can only have 2 links per post… stupid rules…

Email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) if you have any questions about how to unzip it. You’ll need WinRar to unzip these particular files. Which you can download here.

http://www.liutilities.com/products/campaigns/vendors/rarlab/featured1/

Oh yeah, one last thing… just because I love you all so much I thought I’d pass along the HOLY GRAIL of all phish sites that has gotten me through some rough work days. It has 95% of all phish shows EVER played available for download… now can’t we all just get along… oh yeah, and I’m from Texas.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p8WKkpP-TKpO1VnQgcff6EQ&gid=10

Just click the tabs at the top to switch between the years. ENJOY!!!

To MS for Phish… I have quite the surprise for you… here’s the setlist of a great Mississippi show. AND the link to download it. This is what being a real phan is all about, helping a guy out that didn’t think it had ever happened before. OH YEAH, DID I MENTION IT’S A SOUNDBOARD… enjoy brother.

Thursday, October 13, 1994
Grove Arena, University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS

    Set I: Llama, Gumbo, All Things Reconsidered, Down with Disease, I Didn’t Know, Foam, Fast Enough for You, Sparkle, Stash
    Set II: The Old Home Place, Run Like an Antelope, If I Could, It’s Ice, Amazing Grace, Mike’s Song -> Simple, Mike’s Song > Yerushalayim Shel Zahav, Weekapaug Groove, Foreplay/Long Time, Cavern
    Encore: Fire
    Show Notes: Antelope included a hi-hat solo from Fishman.

Part One: http://www.mediafire.com/?jw6s6fwbht9
Part Two: http://www.mediafire.com/?wtjn633o0vu

preach on brother ellis

It’s back grey again. Something Phishy is definitely going on!!!

Comment recalled about AL being GA.  The Save the Date map states are just not *exactly* lined up right.

Like I said, I’m no geography genius and for chrissakes I’m from Oregon! lol.

Just announced!!! Phish is doing the festival with Bear Grylls in the Amazon!!! It will be on the new man vs. wild.  Get your sandals and spear guns ready!!! We are doing it Anaconda style.  Retards still think its in Cali.  Yeah OK, NH is still in the running even though it is eliminated.  What kind of stupid name is Indio anyway?  That will look gay on a tour shirt.  Phish hates Cali.  Ha Ha Suckas, Brazilian Festival!!

Look again ya’ll! It’s still the pinball, but Cali is back on the map!!!

Um, I’m no geography genius or anything, but didn’t the pinball take out ALABAMA, not GA????

ryan ellis - I’m saying it’s debatable whether or not they’ve EVER showed the West Coast any love (CA has the 4th most shows of any state, CO 5th), not whether or not they have this tour because obviously they have not.  Sorry you’ve had to trek so much man, but good for you for making some sacrifices to get out to as many shows as you can.  In any case, while no dates are set in stone, a fall tour is likely and if they don’t pick SoCal or another part of the Southwest for Halloween, they could still very well play some places on fall tour.  Sorry for contributing to the feud in any way, see y’all on Halloween, wherever it may be

i still dont understand why people from califronia are crying b/c they have to drive to a show in california, they skipped FL and GA. i had to drive to tennesse thats alot more then 400 miles, so quit bitching about how phish doesnt show you love..

just be happy there back, and on fire!!

The word around Cincinnati right now is that Phish has booked US Bank Arena for November 20 & 21. I have heard this from like 20 different people. Could be bull-shit, but I’m throwing in my two cents!

P.S. - The festial will be on the East Coast. Sorry, Indio.

MSforPhish——> Funny you mention Mississippi, I was just thinking that.  Nobody’s said a word about MS or Alabama, which would have ideal conditions at that time of year; it would also attract a broader audience instead of making everybody trek to the very bottom corner of the country at Big Cypress, which is truthfully the most logical location, weather-wise.

I’d also like to propose the idea of a festival-long Mike’s Groove.  Not sure they’ve tried that before…

How’s about da UP hey? Don’tcha know dey got da superior county fairgrounds up der hey. ;) No for real though…let’s go to California with an aching in our east of the Mississippi hearts… I for one need some damn sunshine. This midwest summer has been a sad state of affairs…why do i even have an air conditioner? Besides, legaliteis are in favor of Cali…a friend of mine has a bad back ;)

Anyone ever think that the reason they took California off the map so quickly is to stop people from prematurely buying plane tickets out there? Maybe they saw all the rumors flying around that it will be in Indio and wanted to keep people from wasting their money on plane tickets etc.

Hey FRANK! yes we should book 2 vegas! and wherever it is from there we will make it. never a bad time in vegas….

agree with john from chicago…..its not like they have to be there to set up…..they fly in - soundcheck - and then relax while you set up camp.

Its gonna be in the east.

Yo brah - it ain’t hella cold here in october - people still camp in the east in october.

This has been coing around a few other boards. 
> Here’s the deal: Phish WAS scheduled to play at the Polo Grounds in
> Indio, where they host Coachella. There was some minor issues with the
> alcohol restrictions, etc at the event grounds, but that was being
> handled in the rider of the contract along with the confidentiality
> agreement about the announcement of the album they are covering, due
> to some superfluous stage setup stuff they wanted for their “musical
> costume” (from the contract).
>
> Phish is/was planning to cover Guns n’ Roses “Appetite For
> Destruction” and had even gotten Axl Rose to agree to make an
> appearance (Coachella is close to Axl’s home in L.A) and to share the
> stage with Phish on at least one of the tracks. However, Axl got upset
> and cancelled his appearance with Phish (for unconfirmed reasons,
> although it sounds like Trey had some sort of relationship several
> years ago with Axl’s now wife). Trey got upset with Axl and Axl then
> reacted by threatening legal recourse if Phish covered his album
> (similar to the way Zappa had “Peaches” copyrighted and disallowed it
> from being covered without a fee being charged – that was in the 80’s
> and was one track, you can imagine the cost of GnR’s copyright status
> especially considering the whole leaked copy of their new album).
>
> Trey and the band then decided that due to the hang-up with the
> alcohol situation, which had not been completely resolved – they were
> still hammering out the specific language in the contract rider – and
> the fact that Axl was threatening to sue (Axl has a pretty good
> relationship at this point with a music lawyer, he just wrapped a
> lawsuit for the leaked copy of “Chinese Democracy”), that they would
> switch the location of the festival to Big Cypress, where as an Indian
> Reservation, typical US laws (including copyright
> infringement/intellectual property laws) do NOT apply, or are a grey
> area at best.
>
> So, the initial word was correct, Phish DID have a contract to play at
> the Coachella site, but the legal language in the contract rider was
> never finalized and the contract was therefore voided. So, Phish is
> now booked to play at Big Cypress for the Save the Date Festival.
> Seriously, I was shown the contract for this event. And while this
> location may fall through as well, Phish has played there before
> making it much easier to finalize the negotiations. Take it for what
> you will, but Phish is playing Big Cypress for this festival.
  Heard its not true but entertaining at least.

@Jon from Chi town

“Phish has never shown any love to the West Coast (debatable)”

Are you f’ing serious? how many west coast shows this tour? how many east coast shows? Debatable my ass.

I will be going to shoreline, and have two drive more that 400 miles, and I live in CA. All of the last shows I have gone to have been on the east coast, 20 ann shows, coventry, hampton reunion. I think it is time they give back to to west coast fans. It is no coincidence that they only have 1 show in the south west for far.

For them to ditch the west coast would be stupidly irresponsible. There is money to be made, and they will make it!
See ya all in indio!

Listen up phreaks-
this east coast/west coast rivalry on the message boards is ludacris. get a grip on yourselves. you know you’re going wherever it is, and if you’re not, then you aren’t even a real phan. to you california clowns- get over it. its off the map. could it come back at the end? sure. would that be sick? yes. would i go? yes. but its probably not gonna happen. phish WOULD NOT make it that easy to figure out or that predictable. other theories that i believe would be awesome but too predictable? Arizona or New Mexico. Its highly possible, but i just think its too easy. My gut isn’t going with Texas. the Vegas theory is just unrealistic. obviously (apparently not to everyone since people actually think this shit is gonna be in the north…get serious) the festival will be in a warm state. i personally think that Phish wants to do something completely unpredictable and shock everyone. AZ, NM, CA, or TX would not be that. thats just my opinion. i find in intriguing that no one has mentioned Mississippi. They have never played here before, it shall be warm, and there are countless rural areas where the festival could easily be held. Do we all agree that it would be a complete and utter shocker if it was in MS? it makes all the sense in the world… i’m just saying. the only reason why i think it won’t be here is because i don’t think theres any way i could be that lucky. but if it is- you heard it from me first and i will be returning with a big fat I TOLD YOU SO.

ps- did it ever occur to anyone else that these elaborate clues which lead us to Indio and the desert are intended to purposely mislead everyone so that it is that much harder to figure out and that much more exciting/shocking when the unexpected location is announced? it makes sense pholks.

This shit is hilarious.  I have no insider info on where the fest will be, but I, like most others, willl do everything I can to make it there.  I agree that they don’t play the West/Southwest as much, but that’s also because the cities/venues in the East are among dense population centers and it’s easier for them to put together multi-day runs w/o an extra travel day for fans to drive.  Also, they’re from the East coast and while they have fans everywhere they’ve always played more out East, so the only reason people are probably so freaked out about Cali being out of the mix (potentially) is because of all the rumors that got everyone so excited in the first place.  Everyone from Cali keeps talking about how Phish has never shown any love to the West Coast (debatable) and if so, why would you expect them to show you love now any more than in the past?  Just sayin…  Lastly, I don’t understand why people think it has to be out West because Phish will be on the Tonight show two days prior to the festival.  They film that shit at 4pm and if they were to head back East for the fest it would only be a 4 hour plane ride, not some exhausting 2 day caravan through the desert

J.S… Shall we book to Vegas or what!?!?!? If not vegas, how about Puerto Rico, its warm down here!!!  Never know, they did bring in AK and blow it up….I hope u all understand it wont be in any of those LAME states, like indiana, illinois, deleware, etc…lets get real here people…and, I already shot the hot air balloons down and cali crashed on everywhere cold, so u cold weather phans, get over it!  Trey’s fingers, along with my girlfriends, wont move as fast in cold weather, and how would that benefit ANYONE?!?!?

You’re all ridiculous!!  Indio is on, 100% guaranteed, it’s official, signed sealed and delivered, NO QUESTION. I’m done now, continue your bickering, see y’all in Cali…

I’d bank on Nevada all.

“Update: July 3, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Some alternate Fall tour date rumors have started making the rounds on a variety of message boards, one of which comes complete with photographic “evidence.”


This rumored 20-stop tour schedule has the band playing the Hollywood Bowl, Warfield (the night after Save the Date), Austin Music Hall, Hampton Coliseum, three nights at the Spectrum, and two nights at MSG among others. Not to mention the Tonight Show and of course the Save the Date festival.

If these dates pan-out I’ll feel a little bad that the info I posted above was wrong, but I’ll sure feel great about going back to Rosemont Horizon.”

Phish WILL NOT be PLAYING The Philly Spectrum on Nov. 13-15, the final shows are being played on OCT. 28-30 by, Pearl Jam ;(

As in all past Phish festivals the surrounding town and even the state it is held, needs to be flexible and accepting of the onslaught of fans that show up. Look at the debacle that was Coventry. Allowing people to park on the median and closing the highways to allow people to safely walk into the festival site. I really don’t see that type of thing happening in California. Even though the chance of another downpour like that happening again are slim to none. The area needs to be remote enough to allow for and handle 150,000 people to show up at once and any other circumstance that may arise.
  Obviously the planning team doesn’t want another repeat of Coventry. Phish dropped some serious coin to keep that festival going. The tow trucks to clear that field, the tractor trailer load after tractor trailer load of woodchips to soak up that rain and mud. And the countless other expenses.
    The weather in the North East in the fall is just way to unpredictable. Its definitely somewhere Mother Nature is more predictable. AZ,NM or FLA.

Lyra: I believe you yo, I don’t know why, but I do.

I live near Burlington Vt and it does get cold, but it is bearable. On Halloween, you need a sweatshirt, and it is possible that it will snow from year to year, but that wouldn’t deter a lot of people I have spoken with. So I believe that the northeast is not out of the question yet. Hope this is all revealed before Joy comes out, or before Red Rocks….

TEASER:

the festival will be held in october

it’s gonna be in delaware!!!

After reviewing the shows that Phish has played and are planning to play this year I have come to the conclusion that Indio, CA really does makes sense. The southwestern part of the country has totally been denied any sort of easy access to a Phish show. Phish can play that festival and feel like they have filled the entire demand for Phish in the United States. The only thing left would be a New Year’s series of shows in Miami, FL.

y’all are phunny as all get out!!!....this is the best marketing scheme since “cloverfield”......i just hope that when the whip comes down my wife and i have the resources to go…..i don’t give a hoot WHERE it’s being held…..simply, the fact that PHISH have returned and are bestowing upon us this gift has me giddy like a little school girl….. (cue: voice of Snagglepuss) “ecstatic even”........

does anyone realize that it does not get THAT cold in New England this time of year, i have been out on halloween night every year my whole life pretty much and you need nothing more than a sweatshirt and long pants, everyone is making it out to seem as if its going to be below freezing and people are going to die…. I was up in Vermont and slept in a tent this past March and im still here to talk about it….

angels in the polo field,
really?  Phish takes their fans for granted?

do you think the coloration of the states means anything at all? Indiana, still hangin in there!

just talked to a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that says ‘save the date’ will be held on the moon..

Everyone relax and enjoy this, how often do adults get the “night before christmas” jitters? Wherever it is it will be amazing. I am taken back by the shows that “the boys” are putting on. They are really back on their A game and really enjoying the experience of playing together. So much so they are putting on a fest, with 8 sets of music. Oh yeah and on Halloween weekend. Sit back, and enjoy the ride.

Yeah rutherford for giving the shout out to Arkansas!!! I’m from AR and would lOVE to see a show there….though sadly, I am sure it is not there. It would be beautiful, though…all the fall colors, the Ozark mountains…alas. Plus, we get all 4 seasons there and there is no telling whether it would be sunshine or rain, hot or cold.

I am still hoping for Indio, though.  It is about time I get to do a little less traveling to see a Phish show. It makes sense that a Halloween festival would be in the Southwest…mild climate, still warm, very, very, very little chance of rain, and beautiful!

And please, lets cut out this coast crap. I am truly tired of seeing people bicker back and forth about which coast has the most phans…I am a true phan, have been since 95, seen a ton of shows, and I am from AR, moved to CA, and have seen phish all over the country…always traveling. it woudl be nice to not travel quite as far for a change. I dont have that kind of luxury anymore to go on tour at the drop of a hat.

area 51 no doubt about it.

what about fall tour, several have mentioned of Madicson Square Garden the weekend before Thanksgiving, but my own sources that have led to a hotel reservation is that that weekedn they will be at US Bank Arena in Cincy.

Anyone else heard this, for my sources are very close and seem sure of themselves.

SPOILER ALERT!
An insider told my studio phriends that the fest will be in Nevada all right, but not Las Vegas! It will be in BlackRockCity desert where Burning Man is held. There are plans in the works for a large Burning TreyMan bobblehead effigy, which they will burn on the last night. hot air balloons will fly the band into the BRC airport, a Viking ship art car will transport them to the stage where a new stage game of Wilson Wheel of Fortune (hence the Vanna cyclops) will be played with the audience throughout the weekend…they will wear Pinball Wizard costumes for Halloween and perform The Who’s Tommy rockopera in it’s entirety. oops. I shouldn’t spoil it for you…

Yes I like it because we actually make a little sense!!

TO,

Jeremiah from Denver || Jul. 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM
“Hey everyone. Here’s a hint. The pinball’s movement spells something.”

and…  Please share.

If they’re doing Conan on the 28th- IN LA, then they’re not going to travel back to the East for a three-day fest. It just wouldn’t make sense. Use some common sense ya’ll! And jeesh, why hate on the west-coasters so much? Is it really necessary? Maybe the phan density isn’t quite the same as on the east, but it doesn’t make anyone in the west any less of a phan! Let us enjoy some easy traveling too! Please!

i’m over the indio shit, 1 fuckin show in cali and i have to drive 400 miles to see it. why even stop here if there just going to play 1 fuckin show seems like a waste of time to me, they should be just as loyal to us as we are to them. i’m at the end of my phishing line at will not attend if i’ts not in cali AZ or vegas. call me what you want i’m just tired of cowtailing to a band that takes there loyal fanbase for granted especilly there westcoast fanbase.

It is confirmed. The festival will be held in my backyard!

only 1 show in cali and it sold out in 2 mins.  i think it sold out faster than any other show on the tour, i meen cumon 1 fuckin show for all the fans here in cali thats fuckin rediclous, they might as well played 4 days at the gorge instead this shit is just fucked. they have the most loyal fanbase in the world and they take that shit for granted thats fucked up. i’m still going to shoreline and the gorge but cumon. i’m sure they know there going to sellout where ever they go.

sunny skies i agree there is nothing that says the last state standing will get the fest it could truly meen nothing. thax for the luv master we west coasters usally half to travel alot further to see show’s, I meen i’m all down for that but it starts getting rediculous after awhile, i made my way to hampton this year for 1 show i’ve been up and down the I-95 several time’s including the whole 99 summer tour and oswengo, i’m a true die hard i have been seeing show’s since 96 and i for one am just getting tired of hoping that they will play more show’s on the west it absolutly sucks ballz. sme of us are older and have live’s outside of touring with phish and cant drop everything and just go on tour anymore. I think the band should just stop all this BS and play place’s that are convinent for all of the fans newbie’s or not the sad thing is that where ever it is thaey know we are going to come where ever we live i think that they take that for granted somtimes.

wow, we think alike, ktee.

why would phish hold a festival in a place with limited camping, while there are numerous venues around the country that could fit everyone with ease?

also, why are all these phish insiders so eager to spill the beans when they know phish is trying to keep this a secret? are they that disloyal? and if so, shouldn’t they be fired?

the inside source thing doesn’t add up for me. no offense to anyone, but i’ll wait for confirmation from the band

For VT_Rider-

I just don’t buy all of this insider info. I think it’s a bunch of bull.

Why would someone tighly affiliated with the band spill the beans on the and ruin all of the fun?

For the people that do know where the festival is being held- I’m sure they had to sign something saying that they wouldn’t diclose the location. Otherwise what would be the point of all of this?

Look. I don’t know where it is going to be and neither does anyone except for an inner circle. And for anyone that is above all of this speculation on this thread then why would you take 3 lenghty paragraphs (not to mention the time) to tell everyone that. This is so much fun- i love checking this stuff everyday. It’s great!!!

Indio, AZ, NV, Vegas, FL, the Moon wherever. It’s cool. But really I know the guy that grooms Trey’s dog and he is super tight with the band in fact he grooms all of their pets and he said it’s not in indio.

Someone just forwarded me this link from one of the boards (I assume PT) http://www.njhotair.com

Do these balloons look familiar to anyone? Granted anything above the Mason Dixon, like NJ, is too cold for camping in October, but…. who knows at this point?

Just remember people. There is nothing stated about the last state standing. It all could mean nothing. California would be a great place for a festival. Phirst time for everything!

I heard they are making a giant Igloo to have the festival inside.  Somewhere in greenland I heard   they estimate it will hold about 125,000 fans

A source at the Dover Airforce Base in Dover, Delaware says that festival is going to be in southern Delaware, near the Maryland border.  It was cleared with the military community in Dover a few weeks back.  It is going to help close the states budget gap so they can pay teachers and firefighters w/o pay cuts.  It isn’t “Save The Date”, it is “Save The State”.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode;=&q=delaware&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.909425,79.013672&ie=UTF8&ll=38.493906,-75.323639&spn=0.76099,1.234589&z=10&iwloc=A

Check the satellite view of southern Delaware.

Ok, I figured out who Russ B is .... needed some downtime at work to do a little googling.  His work is amazing, and I guess I never put a name behind the wonderful Phish festival creations before (or Vegoose, Bonnaoroo, etc)....is GNP out of this one? And what does Russ have planned to WOW us all with this time around? Does the map riddle come back into play?

it can’t be CO cuz of Red Rocks
It shouldn’t be in the gulf because that is during hurricane season
it can’t be in the northeast because it will be way too cold and unpredictable
doubtful that it will be Missouri.
doubtful that it will be Minnesota, too cold.
It COULD be Arkansas where Wakarusa is held allthough the weather is
still going to be unpredictable due to hurricane season (Coventry was a disaster due to storms pushed north during a hurricane)
It COULD be southern Indiana allthough WHY? and much like Texas, we’dall get arrested.
That leaves Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona or California.
Thus we will be going to the southwest either way. Maybe we should all fly into Vegas for cheap and rent a convertible and just drive like Fear
and Loathing to wherever the show is.. BTW, this East vs West Coast is feud is a sad little joke…last time I checked both Biggie and Tupac were dead and the feud was a marketing gimmick. I would be happy to trek it to the West coast…we all must agree that the West coast typically gets the shaft when it comes to Phish tours… A 1 night gig in all of CA for the summer tour…come on, the East Coast is riddled with shows. 10 shows from March to the end of the early summer tour with 4 more late summer shows. So east coasters, you have got more than your phair share of shows. It would be easier for me to go east but I am looking forward to sunshine and dispencaries. Come on Indio!

FYI what goes up must come down… Maybe the 4 ballons which took Cali away will have to land back on the map resulting in Cali as the local.

Fire Ants? Are we sure they were fire ants? Live mainly in southern and southwestern states?

Balloons? National Huge Balloon Fest in New Mexico.

Viking Helmet on Fish from Vegas? Nevada? Area 51?

Segway? New Hampshire based.
God of Wind? Venti? Starbucks? Washington? Already Gone.

Next Clue Boys?...

Wendalyn - Russ is the guy who designs all the artistic aspects of the festival, he “brands” them if you will.. He’s the guy who takes Phish’s vision ans makes it a reality, with his own twists.

GNP handles the tickets, logistics, security, etc./ they’re just the blanket promotion company, they’re not really hands on as far as where things go and how they look.

Are you in N Brunswick NJ? I’m a former Jersey boy myself, left there in ‘89 after graduating high school and came to VT.

Seriously…stop with the California dreamin’...there is no way that Phish is going to allow people to cancel plane tickets and Hotel reservations (that they shouldn’t have made based on rumor anyway…your fault if you did that) and then bring Cali back into the picture and force people to re-book…they are tricky but they aren’t stupid.

Stop over analyzing this whole thing…they are ELIMATING states one by one till they reveal the location…the last state.

As far as VT Rider goes….whatever….If the festival ends up being in Indio I will personally smoke you out all weekend. But that is not going to happen…Whoever, or whatever you think you know….you don’t. Someone is probably messing with you too.The strong rumors and people making travel plans to go across the country to Indio is most likely the reason they eliminated California so early. So people would stop booking for the wrong state. Now we are left completely clueless…and guessing…exactly what Phish wants.

Nobody has mentioned it yet, but I noticed that Arkansas is still on the map.  There is a perfect location in Mulberry, where they held the Wakarusa festival this year.  This would be a phirst for the band to play in Arkansas, beautiful weather and scenery that time of year, plenty of room, stages already set up, and right in the middle of the country so we can find out who the real posers are: eastcoasters or westcoasters.  Obviously no clues seem to point to this, but I’m starting to wonder if these clues aren’t just meant to mislead us. Anyway, I’m hoping for the South.  As much as everyone is bitching about being left out of the tour loop, the South has gotten the least love of all. Wherever it is, I’ll be there.

I don’t see Austin being the place since Panic is doing Halloween in Austin.  Phish wouldn’t do that, although I would love it if they did.  They definitely need to do some shows in the south because its hard to get to a show when you live in Louisiana

has anyone seen the new phish summer t shirt at drygoods. guess whats on the front.  yeah thats right a BIG HOT AIR BALLOON

Hey everyone. Here’s a hint. The pinball’s movement spells something.

To VT_Rider:

Stop trying to make it seem like somehow your in the know, its obvious you don’t know s”“t just like everyone else on here. It’s not in Indio, get that through your thick skull and stop trying to mislead everybody.

Let’s go Florida!!!, as far south as possible

I saw Russ Bennett last night and talk to him about Indio. He said it fell through and that the back up location in Florida will be the location.

rock on vermont rider thanks for the info i still believe. i think some people are in danile .......brooklyn tim how about them yankees huh just got swept by my halo’s

whoever said it earlier, your correct this blog, is halirous.
everyone from cali still saying its in cali, every clue has to do with cali (but they also point everywhere else)
saying how phish never shows you love, but then try and say they show more then the east coast b/c they eneded a tour in cali, so just everyone CHILL OUT. phish will be playing a festival very sooon, and well all be there and if its not on the east caost and you dont attend then you shouldnt be posting anything on here. im fron the half, probaly a little more of FL and ill be going to whereever phish is going to be weather i drive or fly. it sounds to me like everyone from the east coast (myself included) will be attending no matter where it is and everyone from the west coast wont go if its not at your conveince.
simple point and fact its not going to be in california, they took i toff the map, probably b/c they got wind of the rumor and didnt want see people not be able ot make due to previous engagements..

ELE (everybody love everybody) -jackie moon.

@VT Rider: do you think they’ll sell three day passes individual tickets for each night?  Wouldn’t they have camping coachella style?  Every year I’ve been there has been more than enough room for tents.

Wendalyn- GNP does the overall logistics, tickets, sercutiry, etc. They don’t have anything to do w/the actual music/artistic aspect of any shows, they’re purely losistics.

Russ is the artistic creator. The boys come up w/ideas, and Russ makes those ideas into reality.

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