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Phish Save the Date! Halloween Teaser Map

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Yesterday Phish confirmed what had been circulating on the rumor train for weeks — that they'll be hosting a 3-day Halloween Festival from October 30th to November 1st, 2009.

See above for the custom announcement from Phish.com. The map is being updated every few days with a new animated clue, slowly revealing the festival location and potentially the name:

“Save the Date”

Empire Polo Club in Indio, CA

Speaking of which, all signs are pointing to the Phish Halloween Festival being held at the stunning Empire Polo Field in Indio, California, home of the annual Coachella festival and fertile spot for growing dates.

The Coachella / Empire Polo Field rumor is strong enough that nearby hotel rooms and rentals are pretty much sold out. And apparently there's already huge demand for Naked Wizard costumes.

Read on more analysis and speculation about the Phish Festival 2009.


Update: June 28, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Nothing confirmed of course, but word on the street is the band will be playing eight (yes, 8) sets over the 3-day festival. Two sets Friday, three sets Saturday, and three sets again on Sunday including an early one. Take it with a grain of salt as I'm only about 50/50 with the rumors on Jamtopia.

And while I'm speculating, the latest I've heard or read from the few remaining sources that have any credibility, Fall Tour 2009 is going to be a whopper. Supposedly Phish will play a 26 show Fall Tour ending in North Carolina in November. And that'll be followed up by a (rumored-to-death) 4-night stand in Miami for New Years.

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a heck of a lot of shows and if it pans out this way I can only hope it doesn't “drag on beyond the point of vibrancy and health.” Oh wait, I can also hope they stop by the UIC Pavilion for at least a few nights!

Provided the rest of this info is correct, you can look for an announcement on or around July 4th.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Just got a comment from Johnny Goff (aka @PhishNQuips) saying that Phish will appear on Conan / The Tonight Show on October 28th. Take it for what it's worth.

::wonders if he can program Tivo that far in advance::


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Not sure how this didn't come to my attention earlier, but a day-and-half-old thread on PT has plenty of spoilers for what's going to happen on the map based on the findings of mr_wonderful.


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From the looks of it we'll be seeing a merman swimming from somewhere near North Carolina to Colorado, and an alien zapping Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Nevada before going “home” to New Mexico. Here's a composite image from another intrepid PT'er showing how it all comes together.

Notably, the band has removed these elements from the live Flash file, so there's always the chance they'll change things up just to keep it interesting.

Still not sure how I feel about having seen this in advance, but I know for sure I've got tons of respect for the creative concept and love that the band is back to their old playful ways.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Okay, I wish I could take credit for this but alas it was pointed out by someone else. Take a gander at this snippet from the “Economy” section of the Indio, CA Wikipedia page:

Indio has been one of Southern California's most important agricultural regions, once responsible for a large percentage of the nation's date crop; however, with all the new residential and recreational development, the date groves are now more limited to south and southeast of Indio. Even the grove of date palms at the Riverside County Date Festival fairgrounds has been torn out by the county.[citation needed]

There are citrus groves and vegetable fields surrounding the city limits, but rapid development of new housing tracts and golf courses in the “East Valley” in the 1990s and 2000s has displaced most of the agricultural space.

Turns out “Save the Date” might not just be a directive, but also the actual name of the Phish Halloween Festival, a brilliant pun, and a potential cause marketing angle for the Fest. If this is the case, somewhere out there a marketing genius lives among us. Well-played whoever you are.


Update: June 29, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Not sure when, but some time today the map fell victim to an infestation of red fire ants who devoured North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Washington.

red fire ant

Once again the super-sleuths at PT are doing a great job of reverse engineering this concept. Turns out about 10 years ago a turf farm in Indio, CA was invaded by South American fire ants prompting eradication measures by the state Food and Agriculture Department.

If the fire ants are not eradicated, state officials could eventually order a quarantine to isolate the insects, which devour fruit, flowers and tree bark, officials said.

Apparently the problem has only gotten worse since then. A long-term eradication program that started in 2000 was suspended in 2004 due to lack of funding and as recently as 2008 the fire ant infestation was reportedly spreading eastward.

The map version of California remains (not surprisingly) unharmed by the animated ants, but the overall creative concept continues to prove itself to be extremely well thought out.


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Holy crap. I think I just figured out the clue to the first animation in the Halloween Festival map — the one where Oklahoma, Idaho, West Virginia and New Hampshire seemed to simply deflate.

My theory: the animation represents a groundwater plume. More specifically, a plume with an overly-high nitrate concentration.

The nitrate plume is a potential threat to deeper underlying groundwater via improperly constructed, sealed, or abandoned wells.

I'll give you one guess where you can find these poisoned plumes… that right, the Indio Subbasin of the Coachella Valley Groundwater Basin. At least according this report from the California Department of Water Resources which I've quoted above.

dates growing on a vine

Presumably, if left unchecked, these nitrate plumes will ruin the water that's used to irrigate the date crop, not to mention the drinking water.

So at this point I'm going on record: I'll buy you a Nintendo if the Phish Festival 2009 isn't in Indio, CA. Save the friggin' date, and book your flight already!


Update: June 30, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Today the map was updated again, and this time Kansas and Ohio were unceremoniously yanked from contention by a clipper-type boat.

dates growing on a vine

And again the folks on PT are all over it, quickly surmising that this is a reference to “The Lost Ship of the Desert” — the subject of legends about ancient ships buried in, you know it, California's Colorado Desert.

The [Los Angeles] Examiner also published a story [in 1919] of a Spanish galleon half-buried in the sands near Indio, its hold bursting with a cargo of precious stones.

So like the forthcoming UFO, this one isn't quite a direct reference to Saving Dates, but it still has Indio written all over it.


Update: July 2, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Well for whatever reason the map isn't doing anything for me, but word on the street is that an alien Vannah White cyclops has come in and taken out Oregon, Wyoming, Illinois, and Pennsylvania Wheel of Fortune style.

dates growing on a vine

Right now the Indio connection is a little questionable, but one PT thread links to this article about date festivals that does mention the letter-turning temptress:

…and above the counter, there are still pictures of the Shields themselves outfitted in safari gear and helmets, as well as hand-colored black-and-white photos of pinup girls holding bushels of dates and caressing date palms with the aplomb of Vanna White.

Pretty tenuous for sure, and given the previous animations I'm guessing there's a more compelling reason for this one hidden out there somewhere.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I think I figured out the Vanna White animation, and it's got nothing to do with Vanna White. The important part is that she's a Cyclops!

Let me preface by saying this is WAY over my head and I'm not sure I totally understand it well enough to explain, but I'll take a stab.

Apparently cyclops is not just a one-eyed bastard living in a cave but also a newly identified part of the “common symbiosis signaling (Sym) pathway” in plants. And best I can gather from this report, certain mutations in the cyclops portion of the Sym pathway can help plants work harder to extract nutrients from soil.

Because of these benefits, scientists are working to better understand and clone the more successful cyclops mutations.

A number of plants have entered beneficial interactions with microorganisms that facilitate the uptake of nitrogen and phosphorus from the soil. [The authors] provide new insights into a novel genetic component in the plant that allows the establishment of these nutrient-capturing symbioses… Our challenge now is to take this genetics into a coherent understanding of the mechanisms of symbiosis signaling.
How CYCLOPS keeps an eye on plant symbiosis by Ward Capoen and Giles Oldroyd

If the scientists can pull this off, not only will the crops be more healthy, but farmers won't need to use as much fertilizer which is expensive and emits a ton of greenhouse-gasses.

date palm leaf infected with bayoud disease

This same type of genetic control may also have something to do with preventing bayoud disease in date palms, but I'm not exactly sure how it all ties together.

Either way, if the above is anything even close to the correct explanation, this is yet again another brilliant clue tied right back to the Save the Date theme.

In other news, I've had a few people email asking if I knew what the background music to the map is. Turns out it's part of the 30+ minute Wolfman's from 10/31/98. This monster includes multiple jam segments, tons of teases, Fishman on vacuum, and more.

And to wrap up tonight's update, it seems we've got our first parody of the map. Not even gonna comment on this one.


Update: July 3, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Some alternate Fall tour date rumors have started making the rounds on a variety of message boards, one of which comes complete with photographic “evidence.”

Phish leaked fall tour dates

This rumored 20-stop tour schedule has the band playing the Hollywood Bowl, Warfield (the night after Save the Date), Austin Music Hall, Hampton Coliseum, three nights at the Spectrum, and two nights at MSG among others. Not to mention the Tonight Show and of course the Save the Date festival.

If these dates pan-out I'll feel a little bad that the info I posted above was wrong, but I'll sure feel great about going back to Rosemont Horizon.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Another update, another three states out of the running.

Thor wind god

This time it's bad news for Tennessee, Virginia, and Kentucky, all of which were blown off the map by the winds of Thor (or some other wind-related god).

And of course as luck would have it, about 3 seconds of Googling brings a curious factoid… date palms in nature can be pollinated by wind.

Not really sure what exactly this has to do with saving dates though, as it's apparently been common practice to hand-pollinate date palms for centuries “to avoid wasting a lot of space and energy growing sufficient male plants” — at least according to Wikipedia.

Will keep you posted if I learn anything else. In the mean time, here are some interesting facts about date palms.


Update: July 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

A few theories about the wind have made the rounds on PT — one that it's a reference to the Santa Ana winds and another that it's a reference to the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm. I was even working up a theory involving wind propogation of Date mites that can ruin a crop in no time.

But a comment left below by someone named Neil stopped me dead in my tracks.

Creation of Adam

Neil points out that the god in the animation isn't Thor at all, but the biblical God as depicted in Michelangelo's “The Creation of Adam” on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The famous fresco illustrates the Book of Genesis story when God formed Adam out of “the dust of the ground” and then “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life”, causing him to “become a living soul” (Gen. 2:7, KJV, emphasis mine).

As Neil further reminds us, after God created Adam he brought forth trees from the ground (Gen. 2:9), one of which was the Tree of Life.

And guess what type of tree many cultures and biblical scholars believe to be the Tree of Life?

You guessed it, the date palm. Imagine that.


Update: July 7, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Looks like Mike just rolled in on his Segway and mowed down another trio of states — North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska. Don't foresee an obvious Indio connection, but you know I'll post an update if I find one.

And I'll also post an update if I can find a patent for a Segway lawn mower. Phenomenal idea.


Update: July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Two things to update this morning.

First, in the spirit of Occam's razor I think I may have overthought the clue to the first animation having stumbled upon a simpler solution on Wikipedia's Choachella Valley page.

Geysers.

Seismic activity is what triggers earthquakes, a common natural but on occasion, destructive phenomena in the Coachella Valley, and fault lines causes hot water springs or geysers to rise from the ground.

Funny because I had originally been looking for geysers when I found the nitrogen plumes.

Mike Gordon Segway Lawn Mower

In other news, been thinking a bit more about the Mike Segway animation and may have stumbled across something there too.

Something beyond the fact that the Coachella Valley is riddled with golf courses, not to mention the Empire Polo Fields themselves, and that the whole area needs tons of lawn mowing.

Monster Garage Mustang Lawn Mower

It's possible the Segway lawn mower may be a subtle nod to Palm Desert-based sod supplier West Coast Turf.

The company, headquartered a mere nine miles outside of Indio, helped Jesse James's Monster Garage create “Switchblade.” It's the Mustang convertible lawn mower seen at right.

Now that may be a bit of a stretch, but I can think of at least one place where any type of lawn mower, be it Mustang, Seqway, or plain-old John Deere would be completely useless — Datelan Army Airfield.


Update: July 10, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Alaska blowing up

Alaska, we hardly knew ye. So sorry to see you go.

Details to follow, I've got “real” work to do.


Update: July 11, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Try as I might, I'm just not making any sort of connection between Alaska and Indio. But there's still plenty of potential symbolism to ruminate on.

For starters you've got the obvious — Alaska, the song (and background track for the animation) failed to make the cut for the new Phish album Joy.

Flaming Bomb Alaska

Then you've got the delicious desert item bombe Alaska (see at right) — a decadent variation of baked Alaska that adds a dark rum flambé to the already delicious combo of ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.

And given the detonation's proximity to lovely Wasila, Alaksa, one can't help but think this might be some sort of social commentary on a political career up in smoke.

Meanwhile, if you have read the comment thread below you're missing out on some great entertainment value, not to mention a simmering East Coast / West Coast feud.


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 10:30 am

WOW!

California Hot Air Balloon

California (along with the bulk of my credibility if this pans out) was just airlifted off the map by a fleet of hot air balloons!

For the moment, I'm stumped. Totally appreciate that much of the speculation above was far-reaching, but at least a few of those animations point straight to Indio. Not to mention the incredible array of “in the know” folks saying Indio was a lock.

If this proves nothing else it's that Phish likes to keep you guessing, and that's about all I have left to do. Keep guessing.

Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for a free Nintendo Wii giveaway when the final location is announced — assuming they don't have one more twist up their sleeve. Part of me thinks California may have just been airlifted away for safe-keeping :)


Update: July 13, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Well needless to say this latest animation has lit-up the Phish message boards like a Christmas tree, but really only a few things worth noting (not including the picture at right which is just for fun).

Hot Air Balloon Indio CA

First, as ZZYZX was (I believe) the first to identify on PT, California is not really gone if you zoom out on the map. Now this could just be lazy programming, moving an object off the stage instead of actually killing it off. But either way it's led to plenty of additional speculation that Cali's just hovering up there safely, waiting for a triumphant return once the rest of the states are eliminated.

Second, the latest animation has resulted in at least one public wager for a 3 day festival pass.

Finally, and perhaps most curiously, is this recent tweet from Kevin Shapiro that reminds us to “never trust a prankster.”

Can't imagine what he means by that.


Update: July 14, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Sorry for the late update. I've been having trouble with my AT&T DSL at home so couldn't see the animation last night. I did however call them and after explaining that I wasn't able to do my “very important work” they gave me a $100 credit!

Fishman Pinball Machine

Turns out last night the entire map turned into a pinball machine and the ball took out Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Montana, Michigan, and Utah before dropping into Lake Michigan.

Plus a little bonus at the end showed the ball to be super-imposed with Fishman in a Viking hat a la Fall Tour 98.

In the spirit of completeness, I set out to find an Indio connection to see what would turn up. Answer, not too much.

I did however find this cool vintage Palm Springs pinball machine made by (Vegas-based) Bally back in 1953. Learned that IPD is not just an acronym for Indio Police Department but also Internet Pinball Database. And found a Plinko like contraption called Fantasy 5 Dream Machine that was part of the California lottery's TV show The Big Spin. Don't miss the previous segment from that episode to watch a lady win $3 million bucks.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, as most people have noticed California is no longer “floating” above the map in the latest Teaser.swf file. No big surprise. It was just conveniently stashed off-stage at the end of the hot air balloon animation.

Hot Air Balloon Pumpkin Mask

Not content with just viewing the .swf, some folks on PT have continued to decompile the Teaser, an effort that's been light on clues since the UFO / merman incident. But this latest decompiled swf revealed the asset seen at right, a large image sprite with a mundane name, Shape6.jpg.

The asset hasn't generated as much speculation as one might think, despite the fact that it bears mild resemblance to a pumpkin, is the same design as the balloons that carried away California, and is significantly larger than the other balloon .

Not that this couldn't just be a left-over masking asset from the previous animation, but you know I can't help but speculate :)

One more quick note — today is the last day to enter Jamtopia's Mike Gordon bobblehead giveaway. Could be your only chance to score this great piece of Phish memorabilia.


Update: July 17, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Darts

In the biggest state-take-down yet, the latest animation finds nine states — Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana, and New Mexico — getting targeted and subsequently taken out by darts.

It only took me about 20 minutes of research to tie this back to date palms, and like the Cyclops above it has something to do with plant genetics and breeding.

Specifically, I think it's a reference to something called Diversity Arrays Technology, or DArT.

Diversity Arrays Technology Logo

[DArT] will make comprehensive genome profiles an affordable and powerful tool to accelerate plant breeding.
cropscience.org.au

In short, DArT is a relatively cheap and easy way to analyze plant genomes. Armed with this knowledge, scientists should be able cultivate plants that are more disease resistant, better adapted to local environments, and more generally allow for healthier crops and higher yields.

Haven't been able to find specific references to DArT being used on date palms, but presumably this application would be a positive step towards reducing or even preventing (the previously mentioned) Bayoud Disease.

Now I realize that California is gone from the map, so say what you will about this analysis, but either way I'm still having fun sleuthing and plan to keep at it until the very end.

And speaking of gone from the map… Michigan seems to have re-appeared (for now), though presumably only because the developer failed to include it in the _deadStates array.


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

With respect to saving dates, there's an interesting comment below from Austin resident BathtubGin09 who points to a 2008 Texas Department of Agriculture alert entitled Date Palm Lethal Decline. Per the article:

Recently the Texas Department of Agriculture adopted an Emergency Quarantine in Cameron, Hidalgo, Nueces and Willacy counties of Texas against Date Palm Lethal Decline disease caused by a phytoplasma.

And apparently most of the date palm trees infected with the so-called Texas Phoenix Palm Decline are coming in from Florida. Looks like Indio isn't the only place that could use some DArT :)


Update: July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Darts

A dump truck just came in by boat, picked up Missouri, Arkansas, and Colorado, then redeposited Washington back on the map.

And with that, this whole chicanery just got a whole lot more interesting (or less, depending I guess on who you ask) given that the map now has the proven ability to return what it hath once taken away. Can't wait to see how this wraps up…


Update: July 21, 2009 @ 8:30 am

No map updates, but a late-night Tweet from someone (presumably) at The Chopping Block is worth noting:

Phish promo almost done. Starting to suck the life out of me when I leave work at 2am. But fuck it's a cool spot we did for them.
@nathancali via Twitter

I guess it's obvious that the map is“almost done,” but this really helps me appreciate all the work that's gone into it. And I gotta agree that it's a cool spot.


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

And then there was one.

Darts

Tonight Phish brought back the Golden State after purging the remaining contenders with a standard-issue power drill.

I was a little surprised the hot air balloons didn't return, but the drill still entertained. The animation played-out with applause and cat calls, ultimately drilling through (recently revived) Washington which leaked South into California.

Meanwhile I wonder if the drill was a late addition in response to the recently passed California budget which could allow for offshore drilling as “a new source of desperately needed cash.”

Maybe we'll never know, but you gotta figure there's one more animation to come — the one that reveals the Halloween Festival location, ticket info and other details.

And if we're lucky, Fall Tour dates!


Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

INDIO!

California with golf flag in Indio

Tonight the Phish Halloween map came to an end, falling apart as California came front-and-center accompanied by 2001.

A golf flag and number 8 appeared, the latter of which promptly exited stage left leaving the flag waving in the breeze.

At this point the map was replaced by the official festival site, finally divulging the details we've all been waiting for.

A expected, the venue is none other than the Empire Polo Club in Indio but there was a small curveball with the name — it'll be called Festival 8, not Save the Date as I had presumed.

Now that the map is done, head on over to our follow-up post to learn all about Phish Festival 8 in Indio, CA.


Update: September 28, 2009

Today Phish launched a Festival 8 cover album teaser where they'll be slowly revealing the album for the musical costume. Learn more about the musical costume album teaser and see which albums have been eliminated right here on Jamtopia.


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Oh and for those not familiar with Nelson Ledges it’s in Ohio.

What I think is BS is that Phish would even have a festival where there wasn’t enough space for people to camp… This seems very out of character of the rest of their festivals and a huge bummer… there are hundreds of places in the south, even southwest, that would be warm enough with ample space for a festival and everyone to camp comfortably…

Russ Bennett produced all of the festivals in the past?? So does he work for Great Northeast Productions? GNP is the company that has produced/orgnaized/built, etc all of Phish’s multi-day fests. Just wondering….

And as far as weather - Nelson Ledges has a Halloween weekend festival every year…yet to hear of any dying of hypothermia.

Top of the Mornin’ peeps. California is no longer hover, it is now dark. I wonder if that will finally put the Cali issue to rest? Probably not.

Not surpsingly Iowa, Montana, Michigan, and Utah are out of the picture. Sadly Georgia is out too.  I couldn’t figure out if it was Mass or Conn knocked out. Is it just me or did they screw up the map?

in the pinball fishman is wearing a viking hat (vikings inhabited CA),  also he has his hand in the shape of a C (CALIFORNIA)

gCheck this out from Wiki.  Good news for Philly Phish fans

The Wachovia Spectrum (formerly known as the Spectrum (1967–1994), CoreStates Spectrum (1994–1998) and First Union Spectrum (1998–2003) is an indoor arena located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania as part of the South Philadelphia Sports Complex. Completed in 1967, it seats 18,136 for basketball and 17,380 for ice hockey, Arena football, indoor soccer, and indoor lacrosse. The building will be closed and demolished following the 2008-2009 hockey and soccer seasons with the final planned event to be a 3-night Phish run scheduled to start on November 13, 2009 to be known as the PT Braphacy Turkey Run; afterwards, the arena will be razed to make way for a new hotel in conjunction with the Philly Live! complex.[1]

i think everyone needs to chill the fuck out.

Actually it could be Austin too.  The Horns could be representative of the Longhorns…Austin anyone?  At this point, we know they are messing with our heads.  I have a feeling Minnesota will be the next one off the map (the Viking helmet is a tease…again).  I live in Minnesota, and love it here, but the weather in late October/early November can be really nice, or really not nice.  Kinda risky, but I am a gambler, and I hope Phish is too.  Wherever it is…I will see you there.

I’ve resisted the urge to post here until now, just because it’s just too much fu to see all the people who think they’re in the know post all their B.S. And the east coast/west coast feud it just plain comical!I’ve seen these boys play from coast to coast since 1989. phans are dedicated everywhere.

The festival will be in Indio, that is a fact.  Russ Bennett, who produced all the Phish festivals in the past is producing these shows also. He’s tight w/the Superfly Production guys and him, AC Entertainment and Superfly do Bonnaroo.

Russ is really tight w/the owner of our company here in VT and was part of an effort for a few of us Northern Vermont companies to go to Bonnaroo and work on reducing people’s carbon footprints there, and in their lives in general. We were the Bonnaroo Carbon Shredders if you were down there.

Why am I telling you this? So you know that my info comes from the main guy producing the festivals, not interwebz rumors. If you know Russ, or know who he is, then you know this is legit.

They were trying to do the shows in Vegas at the Vegoose site for a while, and that’s officially not happening now. At this point they’re working hard on the camping details for the Coachella site, but they know enough that they were able to make the Save the Date website and get the ball rolling. The festival will 100% be in Indio CA.

If you don’t want to believe me, that’s fine, but this is the real deal. I’m in my late 30’s, have been living in the B’town area in VT for 20 years now, I have many mutual friends of myself and the band, and have seen almost 300 Phish shows myself. Basically, I know enough people up here to know what’s truth, and what’s B.S.

I have better things to do than play around on the internet starting rumors.

If you’re planning on doing this one, get a hotel booked now if you can still find one, just in case, as long as you can cancel it if needed. Camping will be allowed, but I don’t think all attendees will be able to camp due to space limitations. thet’s what everyone is figuring out right now.

Don’t believe the B.S.about curfues and all that, Phish will be allowed to do whatever they want. They will spend massive $ for extra security required by the town and county, the town will thank them for their business and the few million dollars they will be given,and the festival will be an amazing experience for all.

The shows will go down in Indio, and I think this will be an epic time. Enjoy!

new mexico has geysers, imported fire ants, a lot of areas and attractions powered by wind, aliens, bomb testing (the answer to alaska blowing up), found a couple links to the segway relating to new mexico, new mexico hosts one of the largest balloon launches in the world and pinball can relate to everywhere. I’d love to see cali drop back in but if the animation has anything to do with the location new mexico, utah and colorado seem to have the most in relation. new mexico is huge and it’s not like phish wouldn’t create a new spot to hold a music festival

I just canceled my hotel and flight to Indio California. Hoping for Vegas.

From the Phish Companion:
Fishman wore a viking helmet for most of the fall 1998 tour that he apparently picked up at the Vegas Halloween gig.

Suspicious…no?

@Switch…NYers live in a place called reality,unlike all you fakers in Cali.Reality is what you call being ignorant? You sound more ignorant than anyone on here.You and Garden Grove Tim.  You all really do live in LA LA land.
Cali is gone…bye bye…just like Utah is gone, Georgia and all the other states. But keep hope alive, there Switcheroo! It ain’t going to happen.

Fishman in viking helmet= Halloween in Vegas!!!!

Sam Boyd Stadium is outdoors and holds 35,000+ about 15,000 on the field.
Oct 23 Fri         U2 with The Black Eyed Peas   7pm
Nov 07 Sat         UNLV Rebels Vs.Colorado State Rams   7pm
UNLV Football team is away over Halloween weekend.
Check it out!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Sam_Boyd_Stadium.jpg

California will be back and the balloon design you saw on the hot air’s holds significance. The festival is 100% in Indio and I hope the hate-filled people stay where they are for Halloween.

im with marco. and as an east coaster/phish fan im disappointed to see all this feuding.  go if you can, and if not, youll get your chance. but lets get this over with and get down to the good stuff

mEtch, i love it.  Indiana baby.  Might be a little chilly but not to bad.  any place it could be held there?  Would be great if it was somewhere that no one even thought of. Now that Cali is out, which I am waiting for some of these insiders to confirm, I really don’t see it being out west.  Dateland is too close to the border with all the problems going on there, Vegas has no camping and that isn’t gonna happen.  Logically thinking they have always held their big fests in the East and I don’t see why that would change now.  Big Cypress would be beyond amazing.  Ill let you know if i get a hold of my so called expert.  He has been right on everything til now.

Why can’t they just tell us! the game has gone on long enough. i just want to book the trip to i can start speculating on what they might play.

Aloha Hawaii Baby!!!!

Hey Mickey Mouse—-that’s Fishman wearing his Viking helmet. Noob.

AZ AZ AZ, gonna be at that base…

goodbye! utah, montana, connecticut, georiga, michigan, and iowa!

fishman in his viking helmet is on the pinball

Those are not Mickey Mouse ears…that is a Viking helmet with horns. Pack your winter clothes and come up to Minnesota where the 10,000 Lakes Fest is held every year!

cali’s not hanging anymore in the new animation

Madison Square Garden.
Or New Orleans; the band have not played there since Katrina hit-just doing their part, again.

Exactly what is the definition of a festival???

OUTDOORS BABY!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FL it is!!

Hawaii

I hope all you peeps who bought your tickets to cali have refundable tickets. :o) I understand your excitement, but I wouldn’t buy tickets anywhere untill they actually announce the date. Come on now.

PINBALL…awesome! I love this. No more mysterious floating California. GA is out and so is Utah. But the East Coast is hanging tough!
AZ…still alive.

Everyone is incorrect.

It is clear to me that the fest is going to be in INDIANA!!! I’m thinking a three night stand at Deer Creek….

....probably not, but i can dream! at least its not in Cali hahahaha…

Well Best Kept Secret, we certainly didn’t hear it first from you. n00b.

Check out the picture in the pinball…. he’s wearing Mickey Mouse ears.  Florida?

I am so excited. I became a huge phan in 2005. I am enjoying the excitement but DYING to know where it’ll be! (Let’s all be phriends through this.)

My question: How much do they festivals usually cost?

LMAO @ Brooklyn Tim

Typical ignorant New Yorker. Keeping on thinking Cali won’t come back Timmay. When it does you’re going to feel like a HUGE ass.

I agree with Jay from ATL…

This whole thread is hysterical.

Cali is no longer floating over when you zoom out. It is now gone. sorry to all those that wanted it there, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. I will make it wherever it will be. I hope to meet people from all over like i always do. Lots of love and promises for a show that will be EPIC. bwah, hahahahahahaha!

Ok,now Cali is gone…My sister said that her neighbors brothers husband said it would be in Colorado on top of a mountain…no tickets just hiking.  HA

LOL!!! Bye bye Georgia. The Pinball Wizard just shot you off the map!

Kiss the GA idea goodbye, folks. :D

they just took out a few states with a pinball animation.  cali is gone now too.  bummed that GA went down.  come on SC!

Updated! pinballs knock out 5 states or so…ones that don’t matter sadly.

http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ - Pinball Museum is in Nevada. A lot of rumors saying that Phish is going to take over Vegoose.. I am sticking with Arizona, but if these are in fact hints, Nevada is slowly becoming the front runner.

Vegas is booked for some rodeo halloween week.

and goodbye to Utah, so much for the mormons getting a festie

BREAKING NEWS…................JUST POSTED
OMG!!!!!!!!!!  Well I guess Georgia is out!!!  No more wammies, no more wammies STOP…..........................ON FLORIDA!!!!  This is by far my favorite one so far!!!!!!

The pinball that comes up seems to show Fishman in a viking helmet reflected in the ball, or imprinted on it in some way. Not sure if that is a clue or the whole thing is just random.

This could be a hint of what album they are going to cover, not necessarily where they are playing. Fish wore that helmet through most of the fall tour in 98. Fall tour 98 they did a new cover just about every show which is interesting, and of course Vegas for Halloween when they covered Velvet Underground.

Hard to say. These clues are perfectly elusive and you can go in any direction with them. I think it will be good to check back when this is all played out to see how it all ties together. In the meantime its fun to keep guessing and seeing what happens next.

Pinball anyone?

Oh yeah, How do we tie in Pinball with Indio?  Ventura Blvd?  Ha Ha, beating a dead horse.  Speaking of which, how about a GNR cover album.

I was really hoping to get a bible at the festival in Utah.  Oh well, need to get my dancin shoes for either Florida or Texas, or Arizona, or one of the 22 states left.  Cant wait.  I am still saying its a hoax to mess with us.

while names and such each other’s called
six more states have been pin-balled

Fishman on pinball!  MN and MO still in the running!  Cali’s gone, fools….and it ain’t comin’ back!

It’s official, Phish wont be playing in California. As the intelligent predicted, the state hanging above the map was the result of designer laziness or just a way to continue to full Californian’s for one more day.. The defense mechanisms that came out of these people were truly noteworthy though.. Gotta give them credit, they continued to believe against all odds, my guess is they will continue to do so.

After these six more states were removed from the map you can see that California is no longer “floating” above the map. Never trust a prankster!

No more Georgia and no more floating Cali.  Dateland all the way!!

This thread is hysterical! 


For all those haters out there saying its not gonna be Cali . . . Have fun doing something else that weekend when we are seeing the best band in the universe in Cali.  I don’t have any secret sources . . . but Cali is in fact still hovering over the map as I write this . . . this is no mistake . . . :)

You’re ALL retarded!  Yes, mentally retarded!!!!

@oliver phish does’nt love cali you need to definitlly stop taking drugs. IF they did’nt like cali why would they finish up the 2000 tour with 4 show’s in cali as they did, and end it there for a while before they came back. shoreline is one of there favorite place’s to play at and you might want to hear trey’s speach at the end of the irvine show that year.

everybody need’s to relax i found out some interesting news on where the fest is going to be, hold on to your hat’s and drop your linen and start your grinin the fest will be at are you ready for is, its going to be in         INDIO INDIO INDIO INDIO AT THE EMPIRE POLO FIELD’S

has anyone been tracking the schedule of web updates? just wondering when to expect another update. =)

Bob,

I don’t think it’s the cold temperatures during the early evening that would bother people. It’s the sleeping in the tents overnight that would be too cold in the North-East to bear.

FACT:Pontiac Silverdome Capacity 80,311
FACT:Last year MI was about 65 degrees on October 31st.
FACT:We have plenty of cheap hotels due to our shit economy.
FACT:We host a number of great free music festivals every year with much success. I played a festival here a week after the Alpine shows that featured The Edgar Winter Band…I saw Phish do Frankenstein and Edgar Winter do it in the same week!!! Bring some much needed money to Michigan.
FACT: Our cops don’t give a shit about anything as long as the state or cities are prospering.

Point….This thing could still be in many different places.
Guessing makes it fun.

I want the festival in a warm climate.  After It and Coventry, it was a little too cool, rainy and muddy.  Cut the east coast west coast shit.  This is not rap its Phish.  Let me throw a monkey wrench into the works.  How about this theory.  There is no festival!!!!  This is all a big hoax to hype up a killer fall winter tour with a massive Xmas - NYE run somewhere special.  Maybe Miami, NY, or Vegas.  Ha Ha adding to the paranoia.

to jeremiah…on tour where?! do you know of some secret locale where PHISH is performing before Red Rocks?! i want in! I’m there, dude! is it SOCAL? that would make a lot of people here happy…cuz they won’t be gettin’ any FESTY there!

its still in indio, westside baby!!! im ready for some warm weather over halloween….im from minnesota.  all of the arrows on the balloons point up!!!  if cali was gone for real they would not have put arrows on the balloons

@ Page’s Housekeeper:

I know that Indio is 100%, but still I had 20 Fall tourdates (excluding anything in December), with 2 shows at MSG in late November… Since you sound like pretty much the ONLY ONE WHOSE NOT CRAZY on this nonsensical board, I actually trust you.  You sure about MSG though?  Eh, I suppose we’re about to find out…

Im not saying Phish won’t be in Indio over halloween but if you look at where they’ve played on (or about) 10/31 since 1987, only two of the nine shows were not in a “cold” area.  I’m not saying they’re going to hold the festival up north somewhere I just wouldn’t write it off completely.  87 -VT, 89 - VT, 90 - CO, 91 - CO, 92 - MA (10/30), 94 - NY, 95 - IL, 96 - GA, & 98 - NV.  I wouldn’t mind chillin outside in october… it’s not that cold up here around then.  Peace

P.S. If you want to argue about what region of the country has the most diehard phans then start a new thread somewhere else and you guys can duke it out cause its getting really old hearing that bs on here.

Nothing is over. That’s why we are here on tour!

I’m 20% sure it’s going to be Vegas.

to answerdusty from oaktown’s wondering of when and where ken kesey and the merry pranksters showed up at a Phish show, it was Darien Lake PAC on 8/14/1997. i remember this vividly because my 3 yr. old son was sleeping on my lap and i tried to wake him up when all the clowns were walking around.

Now, to all you crazy people livin’ in Crazytown that still have your fingers crossed on this being in Cali…WAKE UP! it’s over! you all believed every little theory that came up when states kept getting blacked out on the map (mainly the fact that once a state got blacked out, you said that particular state was gone), now that your hopes and dreams get smashed, the precedent changed for your beliefs. get a grip and just hope you can score tix for whatever other place THEY DECIDE to have the SUPERPHANTASIC PHISH PHEST!

“”“"Best Kept Secret from Scottsdale, AZ || Jul. 7, 2009 at 07:12 PM
This festival will be in AZ—there is a decomissioned army base in the town of Dateland, AZ, take one guess at what the name of it is.

Datelane Army Airfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateland_Army_Airfield

This is where it will be held, anyone that says different, keep googling and drawing connections to Indio.  Really think about it, I mean THINK, where have all the other festivals been held at?”“”“

Just remember where you heard it first and when.

We’ll have a lot of answers by tomorrow afternoon at this time.

I don’t know who’s worse, me for reading all this craziness or you guys really still debating this. . . . .  I’m sorry to disappoint anybody who does not want to travel to Cali, but the festival is at the Polo Grounds in Indio.  100%.  Phish will announce by next Monday, tickets will go on sale July 24th.  Trust me and please put all this to rest.  I can think of no place more beautiful for Phish to have a festy.  Have any of the haters ever seen Empire Polo Field? 
 
Also, there will be 26 fall tour shows, Three shows at MSG in December and NYE in Miami again.  Take these things as facts, not speculation.  Thank you for your time.

The entire fall tour will be in California!

Damn! You Cali folks sure have a hard time letting it go. “It’s like the Sopranos, it’s over!”

I live in Palm Desert which is 10 minutes from Indio and the sheriffs here had a meeting confirming that Phish will be here for halloween. Believe me or not that’s up to you but if I was a betting man I’d still put my money on INDIO!

And as was already said CA is hovering above the map.

I bet if you zoom out when they update their site next time Cali is no longer floating above the map. I tend to agree with Flash dork above ...sorry So-cal. Looks like Florida or Texas….hopefully Florida for me. I really don’t want to fly to AZ, or NV….although I will if I have too.

To all of those who think that Cali is “still on the map” because you zoom or whatever.

It means absolutely nothing.  It is not a bug, it is not a hint, that is a Flash file.  I do Flash development and this is not that uncommon to do with a Flash file.  If you have an element you move it off of the “stage” or visible area, it is not meant for people to find and/or analyze.  Yes the designer should have finished his code and removed the element, but it is not needed for this kind of Flash.

I’m all for them bring back Cali, but these ideas that it’s “still on the map” is a big stretch.

I just re-read this post to get a better understanding of why on earth you originally read this “date” thing as a hidden clue. And it occurred to me that you don’t know what a “save the date” is, so you read it as some magical name. It’s not some clue, it’s just a save the damn date. Haven’t you ever gotten one for a wedding or whatever?

This whole thread is hysterical.

Actually if you turn off animations and zoom out Cali is still hovering over the US. So dont count it out yet…. I think they may all go black then cali fall back in… or the balloons let it down

Right on Djschusta. It makes no sense that all the other balloons just disappear off the map after floating away, but Cali is still just floating. I think Phish has competent enough programmers running their site to not make such a simple “mistake”. I’m holding out for the So-Cal show, still haven’t canceled my room, got until 72hours before check-in. I’m calling Vegas if Indio is really gone. Really I just would like anywhere West Coast, I’m driving from Detroit and plan on visiting friends in Frisco and Boulder.

This Just IN!!!!!
Arctic circle Phish Halloween Fest!!! Just announced. A reliable source(polar bear) told me that all his fish friends told him that this festival is set to take place on a giant iceberg in the Arctic ocean. I am looking into expeditions as I type. Aprox cost per person should be around 8,000 GBP. This event will coincide with the alignment of the magnetic poles. Get ready.

PS. The boys meant for this to be fun, not create a coastal rift.

SoCal. Furthest away location possible in the contingent US states from where it all started. Thanks Phish. Place tix to AZ from northeast are $200. Bare minimum is doubled to CA $400. That makes a huge difference. I really hope CA is gone, but it sure doesn’t seem like it as they have not fixed the bug after all the online banter.

i agree with Jeff from Jersey. Ohio and Kansas were not killed off either. They floated off un harmed behind the ship. Seriously people. Grasp at straws much??? See you in Texas. Or somewhere not in CA at least.

your right i hav’nt looked at the tour latly thought it was 1 day break so you could definitly make it. i dont see the fest happening in geogia though because there was the halloween there in 96 the AZ thing is a good possability though, hope it will be somwhere near cali so i can make it datland is only about a 5 hour drive for me maybe it will be there.

HA HA HA! Float away. FLY CALIFORNIA FLY!
Garden Grove…you are doing ZERO justice to the west coast. I would just shhhhhh.Even your fellow west coasters think so.
It’s over. Cali is done. No festival. Live with it. And yes its a flash bug, but you all can keep on dreaming.
Switch…book that redeye east.
HA HA HA HA!
Maybe you all can still get Widespread Poser tickets.

Why would they play CAli?  Just listen to yoursElvEs.  Phish in charge, They do not love cali. plus it’s off the map. Texas seems about right. Try me

So now that CA is out can we find and flog the person that posted that bogus photo of the fall tour dates? Who was the source of that one?

Also, if you’re going to comment about alleged job postings for security and such, you need to find and post *evidence* people.

Jobs are always posted online and online has links. Post them or shut up!

By the way the bathroom attendant at the Chelsea in Atlantic City told me that his cousin said that it was going to be in Austin. So there!

Ok, got to get some sleep tonight.

- ME

Couple of things -

All the people knocking the desert as a bad venue have obviously never been to BurningMan )^(

Yeah it’s hot and dusty, but what a kick-ass experience.

How often are they updating the animations anyway? Today’s was at around 10:30am ET. Are they doing them every x number of days? Or at the same time every day? Just wondering… Got a life to live and can’t keep reloading the damned page every day.

This mystery is a time suck (but i Love iT)

Still hoping for the east, strictly for budgetary reasons.

Much love for the West, but it ain’t happening folks, sorry!

See you @ The Gorge!

- ME

P.S. My word verification for this comment was “wrong 63”. GREAT. now I won’t be able to sleep all night while I figure *that* out :) :)

ok so we al know that if you press command + then you can see CA hovering in the sky.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RED BALOON IT LOOKS LIKE IT’S HOVERING OVER INDIO, CA.

The next one looks like its over bakesfield, the blue one is over San Francisco, and the Green balloon is over somewhere way up in NorCal.

My theory is that after all the other states are gone the balloons will drop CA back on the map, the top three balloons will break away and the RED balloon will land in Indio CA and the boys will walk out onto the stage!

here is a map of Indio CA i found on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Riverside_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Indio_Highlighted.svg

If anybody can pinpoint where the balloons are hovering over. I think they might me venues/cities that phish as played in the past.

What venues has phish played in north east CA?

Everyone is saying that california wasn’t “blown up” or “killed off” but if i’m not mistaken kansas and ohio were simply pulled off by a ship and not “killed off”...no one is saying (including myself) those states will come back.  So to me this crap about cali floating back after all states are gone is bull.  Cali is gone, too bad

The arrows point both up AND down. Look closer. Get over it people. Cali won’t happen. Phish is not going to have a show (let alone a phestival) in so. california because it is a damn police state. Not Phish friendly. Hawaii would be fabulous but what’s a Phish fest without a road trip?!

Notice that Cali is not floating, it is simply moved.  All other parts of the animation are interactive while California is not.  As a programmer, trust me, this is just lazy programming.  There’s a snoball’s chance in hell of Cali coming back.  And has anybody even though about New Orleans?  Prime place for Halloween and no panic this year.

all four balloons point down for me.

also, to people suggesting texas, and specifically the person who threw out austin, WSP is playing austin for halloween so it is very unlikely they would play there, but who’s to say right?

To everyone:

Guys, the animations mean NOTHING.  Looking for clues and hints is just conspiracy theory nonsense.  Their just cute ways to get rid of states!

To thankyoufornoindio and Jacob,

Are you guys serious?  Do you really think Phish gives a flying f*ck whether or not a bunch of stupid people booked reservations or not? They just like messing with everyone; they are puppet masters!  Look at this site and everyone’s theories and predictions, for Christ’s sake!  When I first saw Cali being carried off, my first thought honestly was like “great, now the next animation is gonna be Iran nuking all of America, eliminating every state, and California is gonna get safely returned, unscathed by the hot-air balloons”.  I doubt that and all, but this is Phish, and they take more joy in messing with us than you do their shows (OK, that was pushing it, but you get the point)! 

I’m done guessing, but Big Cypress would be AMAZING and the boy’s still quote that show as their pinnacle performance… Wherever it is, it is.

LOL @ NittyTwitty calling Cali people posers. Whatever dude. Cali is swingin’ in the breeze right now. Safely held by balloons. Once it drops back into place we’ll see who’s posing and who’s not.

Phish not taking Cali away is a sign. Pick up on it, poser. Ha!

It is still Indio! I am from ohio and look forward to a week vacation out west, golfing all day, phish all night, and my guess “they only come out at night” Edgar Winter Group. Get ready for a killer Frankenstein!!!  No matter where it is this is a blast trying to guess and speculate, just keep it phriendly and good sprited everyone. P.S. not sure if it means anything but my verification word to post on here was “state11” and the 11th state was….. New York

it’s not going to be in georgia or texas because there playing the tonight show on he 29th so they would half to fly to georgia the next day i dont see that happoning indio is still the place i would be willing to bet on it. The south will rise again, keep hatin eastcoaster’s i’m lovin it cant wait to hear you when cali lands safely on the map. i dont think it’s a glich, because if it was you would probly still see the ship or vanna off to the side when you zoom out only time will tell. IF it’s still floating after the next series of states get blown up or dragged away or whatever you will know cali is still in play. personally i think there tring to pull a fast one because the rumer’s and info are leeking out. And there are alot of booked rooms in indio just go to there newspaper sight and you can see the article for yourself.

oh yeah, ken kesey and the pranksters were from california…. “never trust a prankster…...”

Tim> Red Rocks to San Fran in 24 hours? Why would I need to do that?  Last show at Red Rocks is 8/2, the show at Shoreline is 8/5. Pull your shit together.

somone told me that about two weeks before the redrocks a hurricane will wipe out the whole south including texas.

i still think it’s going to be in indio at the polo fields. because why did’nt they blow it up are drag it away. I think there are too many people who already know its going to be in socl so there tring to pull some tricks out. and why is it still floating above the map this makes me happy and i believe it will land at the end of the month dont worry cali kids it will be here. through a good source on the coachella forum all the folks in indio are already preping for it .

Im just waiting for a big Earthquake to hit and wipe out all other states on the map leaving Cali flying high and safe. hahah

All in all,  I am not saying it will be cali, but Phish are definitely a bunch of pranksters whoLOVE playing with their audience, not catering to them. I dont think it would bother them one bit if there were people booking flights and hotels and then having to change them all based on rumor. Sucks to be you who buys tickets based on rumor.
Basically, Im not going to be surprised either way…if cali comes back or comes crashing to the ground and explodes. Phish has accomplished what they have set out to do….effectively market their festival and get people talking and excited about it, all the while f-ing with the minds of thousands of people.

@cantwait, why wouldn’t you want to have a festival out in the desert? have you ever been? The weather would be perfect in the fall (70’s-80’s and cool at night), the scenery is gorgeous, and very little chance of rain. Oh, and the stars would be incredible!!!  Great spot for a festival.

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