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Phish Save the Date! Halloween Teaser Map

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Yesterday Phish confirmed what had been circulating on the rumor train for weeks — that they'll be hosting a 3-day Halloween Festival from October 30th to November 1st, 2009.

See above for the custom announcement from Phish.com. The map is being updated every few days with a new animated clue, slowly revealing the festival location and potentially the name:

“Save the Date”

Empire Polo Club in Indio, CA

Speaking of which, all signs are pointing to the Phish Halloween Festival being held at the stunning Empire Polo Field in Indio, California, home of the annual Coachella festival and fertile spot for growing dates.

The Coachella / Empire Polo Field rumor is strong enough that nearby hotel rooms and rentals are pretty much sold out. And apparently there's already huge demand for Naked Wizard costumes.

Read on more analysis and speculation about the Phish Festival 2009.

Update: June 28, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Nothing confirmed of course, but word on the street is the band will be playing eight (yes, 8) sets over the 3-day festival. Two sets Friday, three sets Saturday, and three sets again on Sunday including an early one. Take it with a grain of salt as I'm only about 50/50 with the rumors on Jamtopia.

And while I'm speculating, the latest I've heard or read from the few remaining sources that have any credibility, Fall Tour 2009 is going to be a whopper. Supposedly Phish will play a 26 show Fall Tour ending in North Carolina in November. And that'll be followed up by a (rumored-to-death) 4-night stand in Miami for New Years.

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a heck of a lot of shows and if it pans out this way I can only hope it doesn't “drag on beyond the point of vibrancy and health.” Oh wait, I can also hope they stop by the UIC Pavilion for at least a few nights!

Provided the rest of this info is correct, you can look for an announcement on or around July 4th.

Update: June 29, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Just got a comment from Johnny Goff (aka @PhishNQuips) saying that Phish will appear on Conan / The Tonight Show on October 28th. Take it for what it's worth.

::wonders if he can program Tivo that far in advance::

Update: June 29, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Not sure how this didn't come to my attention earlier, but a day-and-half-old thread on PT has plenty of spoilers for what's going to happen on the map based on the findings of mr_wonderful.

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From the looks of it we'll be seeing a merman swimming from somewhere near North Carolina to Colorado, and an alien zapping Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Nevada before going “home” to New Mexico. Here's a composite image from another intrepid PT'er showing how it all comes together.

Notably, the band has removed these elements from the live Flash file, so there's always the chance they'll change things up just to keep it interesting.

Still not sure how I feel about having seen this in advance, but I know for sure I've got tons of respect for the creative concept and love that the band is back to their old playful ways.

Update: June 29, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Okay, I wish I could take credit for this but alas it was pointed out by someone else. Take a gander at this snippet from the “Economy” section of the Indio, CA Wikipedia page:

Indio has been one of Southern California's most important agricultural regions, once responsible for a large percentage of the nation's date crop; however, with all the new residential and recreational development, the date groves are now more limited to south and southeast of Indio. Even the grove of date palms at the Riverside County Date Festival fairgrounds has been torn out by the county.[citation needed]

There are citrus groves and vegetable fields surrounding the city limits, but rapid development of new housing tracts and golf courses in the “East Valley” in the 1990s and 2000s has displaced most of the agricultural space.

Turns out “Save the Date” might not just be a directive, but also the actual name of the Phish Halloween Festival, a brilliant pun, and a potential cause marketing angle for the Fest. If this is the case, somewhere out there a marketing genius lives among us. Well-played whoever you are.

Update: June 29, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Not sure when, but some time today the map fell victim to an infestation of red fire ants who devoured North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Washington.

red fire ant

Once again the super-sleuths at PT are doing a great job of reverse engineering this concept. Turns out about 10 years ago a turf farm in Indio, CA was invaded by South American fire ants prompting eradication measures by the state Food and Agriculture Department.

If the fire ants are not eradicated, state officials could eventually order a quarantine to isolate the insects, which devour fruit, flowers and tree bark, officials said.

Apparently the problem has only gotten worse since then. A long-term eradication program that started in 2000 was suspended in 2004 due to lack of funding and as recently as 2008 the fire ant infestation was reportedly spreading eastward.

The map version of California remains (not surprisingly) unharmed by the animated ants, but the overall creative concept continues to prove itself to be extremely well thought out.

Update: June 30, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Holy crap. I think I just figured out the clue to the first animation in the Halloween Festival map — the one where Oklahoma, Idaho, West Virginia and New Hampshire seemed to simply deflate.

My theory: the animation represents a groundwater plume. More specifically, a plume with an overly-high nitrate concentration.

The nitrate plume is a potential threat to deeper underlying groundwater via improperly constructed, sealed, or abandoned wells.

I'll give you one guess where you can find these poisoned plumes… that right, the Indio Subbasin of the Coachella Valley Groundwater Basin. At least according this report from the California Department of Water Resources which I've quoted above.

dates growing on a vine

Presumably, if left unchecked, these nitrate plumes will ruin the water that's used to irrigate the date crop, not to mention the drinking water.

So at this point I'm going on record: I'll buy you a Nintendo if the Phish Festival 2009 isn't in Indio, CA. Save the friggin' date, and book your flight already!

Update: June 30, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Today the map was updated again, and this time Kansas and Ohio were unceremoniously yanked from contention by a clipper-type boat.

dates growing on a vine

And again the folks on PT are all over it, quickly surmising that this is a reference to “The Lost Ship of the Desert” — the subject of legends about ancient ships buried in, you know it, California's Colorado Desert.

The [Los Angeles] Examiner also published a story [in 1919] of a Spanish galleon half-buried in the sands near Indio, its hold bursting with a cargo of precious stones.

So like the forthcoming UFO, this one isn't quite a direct reference to Saving Dates, but it still has Indio written all over it.

Update: July 2, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

Well for whatever reason the map isn't doing anything for me, but word on the street is that an alien Vannah White cyclops has come in and taken out Oregon, Wyoming, Illinois, and Pennsylvania Wheel of Fortune style.

dates growing on a vine

Right now the Indio connection is a little questionable, but one PT thread links to this article about date festivals that does mention the letter-turning temptress:

…and above the counter, there are still pictures of the Shields themselves outfitted in safari gear and helmets, as well as hand-colored black-and-white photos of pinup girls holding bushels of dates and caressing date palms with the aplomb of Vanna White.

Pretty tenuous for sure, and given the previous animations I'm guessing there's a more compelling reason for this one hidden out there somewhere.

Update: July 3, 2009 @ 3:00 am

I think I figured out the Vanna White animation, and it's got nothing to do with Vanna White. The important part is that she's a Cyclops!

Let me preface by saying this is WAY over my head and I'm not sure I totally understand it well enough to explain, but I'll take a stab.

Apparently cyclops is not just a one-eyed bastard living in a cave but also a newly identified part of the “common symbiosis signaling (Sym) pathway” in plants. And best I can gather from this report, certain mutations in the cyclops portion of the Sym pathway can help plants work harder to extract nutrients from soil.

Because of these benefits, scientists are working to better understand and clone the more successful cyclops mutations.

A number of plants have entered beneficial interactions with microorganisms that facilitate the uptake of nitrogen and phosphorus from the soil. [The authors] provide new insights into a novel genetic component in the plant that allows the establishment of these nutrient-capturing symbioses… Our challenge now is to take this genetics into a coherent understanding of the mechanisms of symbiosis signaling.
How CYCLOPS keeps an eye on plant symbiosis by Ward Capoen and Giles Oldroyd

If the scientists can pull this off, not only will the crops be more healthy, but farmers won't need to use as much fertilizer which is expensive and emits a ton of greenhouse-gasses.

date palm leaf infected with bayoud disease

This same type of genetic control may also have something to do with preventing bayoud disease in date palms, but I'm not exactly sure how it all ties together.

Either way, if the above is anything even close to the correct explanation, this is yet again another brilliant clue tied right back to the Save the Date theme.

In other news, I've had a few people email asking if I knew what the background music to the map is. Turns out it's part of the 30+ minute Wolfman's from 10/31/98. This monster includes multiple jam segments, tons of teases, Fishman on vacuum, and more.

And to wrap up tonight's update, it seems we've got our first parody of the map. Not even gonna comment on this one.

Update: July 3, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Some alternate Fall tour date rumors have started making the rounds on a variety of message boards, one of which comes complete with photographic “evidence.”

Phish leaked fall tour dates

This rumored 20-stop tour schedule has the band playing the Hollywood Bowl, Warfield (the night after Save the Date), Austin Music Hall, Hampton Coliseum, three nights at the Spectrum, and two nights at MSG among others. Not to mention the Tonight Show and of course the Save the Date festival.

If these dates pan-out I'll feel a little bad that the info I posted above was wrong, but I'll sure feel great about going back to Rosemont Horizon.

Update: July 6, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Another update, another three states out of the running.

Thor wind god

This time it's bad news for Tennessee, Virginia, and Kentucky, all of which were blown off the map by the winds of Thor (or some other wind-related god).

And of course as luck would have it, about 3 seconds of Googling brings a curious factoid… date palms in nature can be pollinated by wind.

Not really sure what exactly this has to do with saving dates though, as it's apparently been common practice to hand-pollinate date palms for centuries “to avoid wasting a lot of space and energy growing sufficient male plants” — at least according to Wikipedia.

Will keep you posted if I learn anything else. In the mean time, here are some interesting facts about date palms.

Update: July 6, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

A few theories about the wind have made the rounds on PT — one that it's a reference to the Santa Ana winds and another that it's a reference to the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm. I was even working up a theory involving wind propogation of Date mites that can ruin a crop in no time.

But a comment left below by someone named Neil stopped me dead in my tracks.

Creation of Adam

Neil points out that the god in the animation isn't Thor at all, but the biblical God as depicted in Michelangelo's “The Creation of Adam” on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The famous fresco illustrates the Book of Genesis story when God formed Adam out of “the dust of the ground” and then “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life”, causing him to “become a living soul” (Gen. 2:7, KJV, emphasis mine).

As Neil further reminds us, after God created Adam he brought forth trees from the ground (Gen. 2:9), one of which was the Tree of Life.

And guess what type of tree many cultures and biblical scholars believe to be the Tree of Life?

You guessed it, the date palm. Imagine that.

Update: July 7, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Looks like Mike just rolled in on his Segway and mowed down another trio of states — North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska. Don't foresee an obvious Indio connection, but you know I'll post an update if I find one.

And I'll also post an update if I can find a patent for a Segway lawn mower. Phenomenal idea.

Update: July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Two things to update this morning.

First, in the spirit of Occam's razor I think I may have overthought the clue to the first animation having stumbled upon a simpler solution on Wikipedia's Choachella Valley page.


Seismic activity is what triggers earthquakes, a common natural but on occasion, destructive phenomena in the Coachella Valley, and fault lines causes hot water springs or geysers to rise from the ground.

Funny because I had originally been looking for geysers when I found the nitrogen plumes.

Mike Gordon Segway Lawn Mower

In other news, been thinking a bit more about the Mike Segway animation and may have stumbled across something there too.

Something beyond the fact that the Coachella Valley is riddled with golf courses, not to mention the Empire Polo Fields themselves, and that the whole area needs tons of lawn mowing.

Monster Garage Mustang Lawn Mower

It's possible the Segway lawn mower may be a subtle nod to Palm Desert-based sod supplier West Coast Turf.

The company, headquartered a mere nine miles outside of Indio, helped Jesse James's Monster Garage create “Switchblade.” It's the Mustang convertible lawn mower seen at right.

Now that may be a bit of a stretch, but I can think of at least one place where any type of lawn mower, be it Mustang, Seqway, or plain-old John Deere would be completely useless — Datelan Army Airfield.

Update: July 10, 2009 @ 6:30 am

Alaska blowing up

Alaska, we hardly knew ye. So sorry to see you go.

Details to follow, I've got “real” work to do.

Update: July 11, 2009 @ 10:30 am

Try as I might, I'm just not making any sort of connection between Alaska and Indio. But there's still plenty of potential symbolism to ruminate on.

For starters you've got the obvious — Alaska, the song (and background track for the animation) failed to make the cut for the new Phish album Joy.

Flaming Bomb Alaska

Then you've got the delicious desert item bombe Alaska (see at right) — a decadent variation of baked Alaska that adds a dark rum flambĂ© to the already delicious combo of ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.

And given the detonation's proximity to lovely Wasila, Alaksa, one can't help but think this might be some sort of social commentary on a political career up in smoke.

Meanwhile, if you have read the comment thread below you're missing out on some great entertainment value, not to mention a simmering East Coast / West Coast feud.

Update: July 13, 2009 @ 10:30 am


California Hot Air Balloon

California (along with the bulk of my credibility if this pans out) was just airlifted off the map by a fleet of hot air balloons!

For the moment, I'm stumped. Totally appreciate that much of the speculation above was far-reaching, but at least a few of those animations point straight to Indio. Not to mention the incredible array of “in the know” folks saying Indio was a lock.

If this proves nothing else it's that Phish likes to keep you guessing, and that's about all I have left to do. Keep guessing.

Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for a free Nintendo Wii giveaway when the final location is announced — assuming they don't have one more twist up their sleeve. Part of me thinks California may have just been airlifted away for safe-keeping :)

Update: July 13, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Well needless to say this latest animation has lit-up the Phish message boards like a Christmas tree, but really only a few things worth noting (not including the picture at right which is just for fun).

Hot Air Balloon Indio CA

First, as ZZYZX was (I believe) the first to identify on PT, California is not really gone if you zoom out on the map. Now this could just be lazy programming, moving an object off the stage instead of actually killing it off. But either way it's led to plenty of additional speculation that Cali's just hovering up there safely, waiting for a triumphant return once the rest of the states are eliminated.

Second, the latest animation has resulted in at least one public wager for a 3 day festival pass.

Finally, and perhaps most curiously, is this recent tweet from Kevin Shapiro that reminds us to “never trust a prankster.”

Can't imagine what he means by that.

Update: July 14, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Sorry for the late update. I've been having trouble with my AT&T DSL at home so couldn't see the animation last night. I did however call them and after explaining that I wasn't able to do my “very important work” they gave me a $100 credit!

Fishman Pinball Machine

Turns out last night the entire map turned into a pinball machine and the ball took out Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Montana, Michigan, and Utah before dropping into Lake Michigan.

Plus a little bonus at the end showed the ball to be super-imposed with Fishman in a Viking hat a la Fall Tour 98.

In the spirit of completeness, I set out to find an Indio connection to see what would turn up. Answer, not too much.

I did however find this cool vintage Palm Springs pinball machine made by (Vegas-based) Bally back in 1953. Learned that IPD is not just an acronym for Indio Police Department but also Internet Pinball Database. And found a Plinko like contraption called Fantasy 5 Dream Machine that was part of the California lottery's TV show The Big Spin. Don't miss the previous segment from that episode to watch a lady win $3 million bucks.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, as most people have noticed California is no longer “floating” above the map in the latest Teaser.swf file. No big surprise. It was just conveniently stashed off-stage at the end of the hot air balloon animation.

Hot Air Balloon Pumpkin Mask

Not content with just viewing the .swf, some folks on PT have continued to decompile the Teaser, an effort that's been light on clues since the UFO / merman incident. But this latest decompiled swf revealed the asset seen at right, a large image sprite with a mundane name, Shape6.jpg.

The asset hasn't generated as much speculation as one might think, despite the fact that it bears mild resemblance to a pumpkin, is the same design as the balloons that carried away California, and is significantly larger than the other balloon .

Not that this couldn't just be a left-over masking asset from the previous animation, but you know I can't help but speculate :)

One more quick note — today is the last day to enter Jamtopia's Mike Gordon bobblehead giveaway. Could be your only chance to score this great piece of Phish memorabilia.

Update: July 17, 2009 @ 5:00 pm


In the biggest state-take-down yet, the latest animation finds nine states — Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana, and New Mexico — getting targeted and subsequently taken out by darts.

It only took me about 20 minutes of research to tie this back to date palms, and like the Cyclops above it has something to do with plant genetics and breeding.

Specifically, I think it's a reference to something called Diversity Arrays Technology, or DArT.

Diversity Arrays Technology Logo

[DArT] will make comprehensive genome profiles an affordable and powerful tool to accelerate plant breeding.

In short, DArT is a relatively cheap and easy way to analyze plant genomes. Armed with this knowledge, scientists should be able cultivate plants that are more disease resistant, better adapted to local environments, and more generally allow for healthier crops and higher yields.

Haven't been able to find specific references to DArT being used on date palms, but presumably this application would be a positive step towards reducing or even preventing (the previously mentioned) Bayoud Disease.

Now I realize that California is gone from the map, so say what you will about this analysis, but either way I'm still having fun sleuthing and plan to keep at it until the very end.

And speaking of gone from the map… Michigan seems to have re-appeared (for now), though presumably only because the developer failed to include it in the _deadStates array.

Update: July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

With respect to saving dates, there's an interesting comment below from Austin resident BathtubGin09 who points to a 2008 Texas Department of Agriculture alert entitled Date Palm Lethal Decline. Per the article:

Recently the Texas Department of Agriculture adopted an Emergency Quarantine in Cameron, Hidalgo, Nueces and Willacy counties of Texas against Date Palm Lethal Decline disease caused by a phytoplasma.

And apparently most of the date palm trees infected with the so-called Texas Phoenix Palm Decline are coming in from Florida. Looks like Indio isn't the only place that could use some DArT :)

Update: July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 pm


A dump truck just came in by boat, picked up Missouri, Arkansas, and Colorado, then redeposited Washington back on the map.

And with that, this whole chicanery just got a whole lot more interesting (or less, depending I guess on who you ask) given that the map now has the proven ability to return what it hath once taken away. Can't wait to see how this wraps up…

Update: July 21, 2009 @ 8:30 am

No map updates, but a late-night Tweet from someone (presumably) at The Chopping Block is worth noting:

Phish promo almost done. Starting to suck the life out of me when I leave work at 2am. But fuck it's a cool spot we did for them.
@nathancali via Twitter

I guess it's obvious that the map is“almost done,” but this really helps me appreciate all the work that's gone into it. And I gotta agree that it's a cool spot.

Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

And then there was one.


Tonight Phish brought back the Golden State after purging the remaining contenders with a standard-issue power drill.

I was a little surprised the hot air balloons didn't return, but the drill still entertained. The animation played-out with applause and cat calls, ultimately drilling through (recently revived) Washington which leaked South into California.

Meanwhile I wonder if the drill was a late addition in response to the recently passed California budget which could allow for offshore drilling as “a new source of desperately needed cash.”

Maybe we'll never know, but you gotta figure there's one more animation to come — the one that reveals the Halloween Festival location, ticket info and other details.

And if we're lucky, Fall Tour dates!

Update: July 22, 2009 @ 10:30 pm


California with golf flag in Indio

Tonight the Phish Halloween map came to an end, falling apart as California came front-and-center accompanied by 2001.

A golf flag and number 8 appeared, the latter of which promptly exited stage left leaving the flag waving in the breeze.

At this point the map was replaced by the official festival site, finally divulging the details we've all been waiting for.

A expected, the venue is none other than the Empire Polo Club in Indio but there was a small curveball with the name — it'll be called Festival 8, not Save the Date as I had presumed.

Now that the map is done, head on over to our follow-up post to learn all about Phish Festival 8 in Indio, CA.

Update: September 28, 2009

Today Phish launched a Festival 8 cover album teaser where they'll be slowly revealing the album for the musical costume. Learn more about the musical costume album teaser and see which albums have been eliminated right here on Jamtopia.

740 Comments so far   

@ Brooklyn Tim

SoCal clowns? Stupid vernacular? You’ve obviously never been here. And if you want to talk stupid vernaculars New York has the worst. So keep it there, Guido.

Phish on the other hand may be a “Northeast” band (duh, like we needed to be reminded of that) but they’re certainly not playing the NE during Fall. Face it, Timmy, Cali is the place to be. One of the best Phish shows I ever attended was Summer Tour 98 at Ventura Beach. Phenomenal show with the warmth and atmosphere of ocean breezes and saltwater scents… ahhh. No place like SoCal in the Fall. No place at all.

I’m gonna go ahead and make my Halloween album prediction/hope official. The Flaming Lips “The Soft Bulletin.”
Great album. Full of good ideas, positive energy. Perfect for Phish in the reformed/Trey in recovery mode they are in. The Phishbill at the Vegas Halloween show said they were looking for a 90’s album to do, but couldn’t find one. The Soft Bulletin hadn’t been released yet.

Tim> Argue with a five year old? Here’s the most important statistics; in our last three playoff meetings the Red Sox are 9-1 against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. <west coast lingo> Ya digg? </west coast lingo> I would be very willing to place a 30 pack beer wager, to be exchanged at wherever the Phish festival is held, on which of our favorite teams goes further. Problem I have with that scenario is that I am pretty sure you’re not 21 years of age. Now lets review the messages above and we will see a couple of things. First, no one has downright hated as much as you. Second, a few east coasters have hated but most have been tongue in cheek whereas a lot of left coaserts have just been downright stupid mean. If you have read my previous posts you would know that I don’t care where the festival is, in fact I mentioned my friend has a place in Palms and that Indio would be a pretty easy place for me. However, my personal feeling is that Indio doesn’t fit Phish. But, one way or the other, I will be at the Save the Date Halloween Phish festival and I agree with Brooklyn Tim, even if it is on the west coast the majority of people attending will still be east coasters.

after taking the time to read this message board ive come to the conclusion that
you could take the clues and twist them into however you feel/want phish to play im from FL being skipped this tour does upset me but the NYE run just sounds more likely. but yes we got skipped. cali at least got a show the closet show we had was bonnaroo. but dateland, AZ just sounds more likely its a huge piece of land and has an air strip for all the cars to park on. its said to be ‘run down’ so i couldnt imagine it being anymore then polo would cost most likely even less for more space and the fact of a midnight curfew. and the camping issue it sounds like the whole 18 yrsold is a state law. ive also heard indio is extremly heated.

but i will say met a kid at rothbury who phish tours and festival tours and says he knows its happening in indio and he booked a flight.
and another friend of mine his boss is a huge phish phan and said he heard its going down in indio as well.

im torn with what to believe but most deff phish is reading all these boards and laughing because even if we have a clue theres more of a chance we hae no idea..

much love!

Yo newportj. West Coast represent!!! Used to live in Newport on Balboa between 9th and 10th street. Beach side. I miss those dawn patrols. And the honeys. *wink*

Good to see more Cali heads in this place. We need our Phish like a junkie needs his next fix! Haha!!!!

Is this Phish or Tupac planning this show?

Seriously though. Southern California is perfect in late October. Plane tickets are cheap and will stay cheap even after it’s announced. The drive is a short one from any airport in the area not to mention that I could drive across country twice in the amount of time I spent on highway 62 or whatever the hell it was waiting to get into Coventry.

Also, no reason to fret the rules, it will be worked out. So enough complaining and bitching and time to get excited for the longest festival ever played!

I’m hoping for a Zappa cover, or Zeppelin.

i agree with george texas will put us all in jail thats your police state. And as for jared what ever bud, i’m not going to argue with a 5 year old. so far we own the sox this year, and as a baseball fan it aint over till it’s over there’s alot of season left so stop your hatin thats all you eastcoasters do is hate on cali, maybe it’s because you dont wanna or cant afford to make the trip out here so keep on hatin i;m lovin it because all it shows is that you are jealous of all the beautiful things we have in cali.

I wonder how Indiana is going to go down? I def think its likely to be in Indio (great job btw, Todd) but it’d be funny if they saw all this East/West speculation and decided to throw us all a giant curve ball. Bring it HOME ON THE TRAIN in Indiana! Sleeping Monkey played at Deer Creek this summer? How do you say, a “SLEEPER”?!

“We want to stay in the Northeast as long as we can.”
-Trey Anastasio @ Camden 6.7.09

I can’t wait for all you SoCal clowns to be disappointed again. Phish are east coasters and,to put it in your stupid west coast vernacular “claim the east coast, yo!” They love playing here because the deep rooted Phish fans are east coasters. Simple as that. It doesn’t matter where its held it will have to be able to hold a massive sea of humanity. If its held on the west coast, the majority will still be east coasters.

Do you remember when Phish announced their late summer tour?  It was a Google Earth sort of thing then it zoomed in to a big field in Texas…

East Side is the Best Side Yo Diggity

Damn, actually some Orange County heads here! We are sadly so few….... I pray it’s SoCal.  I can’t jump on tour like I did when I was younger. I’m from Ohio originally, and no way is Cali a police state. The Polo Grounds are an awesome venue. I’ve been to Coachella and Nocturnal Wonderland there and didn’t even notice police. The highways “freeways” are virtually cop free. It’s chill out here, and the weather is the best!!!!

My bad switch.  OJ played for USC, which is mere miles from INDIO, CA!!!!

Tim> for the most part you’re an obnoxious punk; you give me reason to hope the festival isn’t in California - but I take pleasure in knowing you’re an Angels fan considering my beloved Red Sox make you look like the chumps you are every October. To add insult to injury, the Angels aren’t in first place in the west, and are not the best team in the west (in fact I would personally take the Mariners over them). The halos will not see October baseball this season.

Texas will put all our asses in jail thats for sure,NO TEXAS

Piper the red red worm
awoke last night to the sound of the storm
the words are the words I sailed upon. 

In response to whoever said it will be in CA because they didnt go near SoCa during summer tour…. Well what about Florida?

Either way, Im going.

Want to all just settle on texas and meet half way?

@ Joseph Mama

OJ Simpson played for USC… not UCLA.

@ harry

Calm down? Who said I was upset? I just thought it was funny that NittyTwitty called us Left Coasters “posers”. I’m not mad. But we’re not posers and we love our Phish just like every other fan does. We got the bump from the band for Summer Tour. With the exception of Shoreline.

No anger here, brah! Nothing but love! For Indio that is…  ;^ )

we all could and should get along if it was’nt for some snobby ass dirtmerchants calling people poser’s and such.

HEEB is an asshole..michael rocks and the lakers are champs…see you in indio biatch

i think it will be somwhere in socal because we got shafty….. i meen shafted this tour, and to the bean town fan f^&*k you and your redsux this is halo country out here see your ass in the playoffs.

Sarah Palin resigns as governor of Alaska and what do you know, it blows up! Probably those no-good Ruskies… Not so long ago, Ms. Palin was the running mate of one Mr. John McCain (R) Senator from the state of Arizona. Clearly, this festival is going to be in Arizona.

No, wait. Perhaps Alaska blowing up is a jab at the conservative right… right coast… East Coast… rigged elections… Florida debacle… South Florida it is!

Ahhh wait, I misinterpreted it again! Alaska… Sarah Palin… conservatives… dockers and polo shirts… Empire Polo Fields… It is going to be Indio! @Phenway was Phirst Show Hooray! Now I’m a boob!

Hey Switch. Calm down and how about being nice for a change? We all love Phish and would love to see them play a festival nearby. Maybe the reason there aren’t nearly as many West Coast shows as East Coast shows is simply because there are so many more people on the East Coast… So how bout you just man up, wait patiently until the final twist is revealed and the location announced, and then be the good little Phan you are and travel to wherever they decide to play.

East coast? West coast? Wouldn’t Phish just want us to LOVE and have FUN—not hate and debate with each other over which side it’ll be in the US!

What would even be better is to have the West coasters (IF it is there) invite the East coasters a place to stay and party it up on Halloween weekend!

oh my god i figured it out!  alaska blows up and sinks like a ship, and california has a serious debt problem, so the state is sinking like a ship! festival is definitely in indio!!  WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO! gimme somma that koolaid!

I hope that the festival is in Indio.  When I go to fly home to Boston I will get a chance to pee on the Staples center not only because the Lakers play there, but also because MJ had the wake there.  Kill 2 birds with one stone.  Ha Ha.  Here we go Limestone, Here we go.  BTW, I was talking to my Rabbi and the festival is in Israel.  Time book up the rooms at Hotel Palestine.

Whoever mentioned there is no camping at Coachella is incorrect.  They have a huge area for camping every year, I’ve been there done that and it was WAY to hot for that time, but during Halloween I don’t see that being too big a problem.

Also another idea I had was that makes Indio sound like a good chance.  Phish completely skipped over Southern California for the Summer tour.  The closest we had was at Shoreline up near San Fran, and Red Rocks out in Colorado.  Neither of which are all that close.  As soon as this rumor started I immediately thought, that might be a very good reason we got no love during the tour thus far!

As long as it’s in this country, I’ll be there.  I don’t have a passport.  Go USA!!!!  Oh and I think I figured out the Alaska connection to Indio:

Alaska spontaneously combusted
Nikolaus August Otto invented the four-stroke combustion engine
Otto drives the school bus on the Simpsons
OJ Simpson played for UCLA, mere miles from, yes, my friends: Indio, California.

See you all there!

Cut the East Coast, West Coast rivalry crap.

It’s the stupidest stuff on this board.

If it’s Cali, then so be it. R/T from JFK only $300. I’m there.

Okay, so it shows an explosion or a bomb in Alaska. A “Bomb Alaska” is a delicious dessert consisting of an ice cream center insulated by meringue, then doused in rum or whiskey, then set fire for dramatic effect.  This delicacy is also known as an Alaska-Florida…so now that Alaska is gone, I guess that just leaves Florida, huh.

wow the west coast contributors on here are getting awfully nasty. Listen, whether on the right or left coast, the diehard fans are going to be at the show. Yeah, funny sarcasm with east coasters not being able to handle the desert (har har), but I think we’ll be ok. I know I am able to handle Coachella every year that I attend. I personally don’t believe it is going to be in Indio and laugh at anyone acting so self-righteous to think it is a guarantee. That doesn’t mean I think it is going to be east coast; I am fairly comfortable that it wont be - I just don’t think Indio fits Phish. My personal theory is this: Phish has 2-3 locations / venues lined up and secured for the date but hasn’t made a final decision. The best evidence that it is going to be in Indio is from Reliable Source. It turns out Reliable Source isn’t always reliable. After all, Reliable Source was the guy who ran around the internet earlier this year telling us a August festival was guaranteed. Let the map play itself out, lets have fun trying to decipher clues, but stop being nasty and insecure because you think your spot is in jeopardy of losing out.

@ ryeryesofto RE: you are looking way too deep into the state eliminations.

I’m having fun with the map and I’m pretty sure that’s the real point of the thing… to have a little fun.

@Jared from Maine RE: I feel as if our author, Todd, has reserved hotel rooms in Indio and is stretching on these Indio connections as part of a defense mechanism.

I’m not able to attend the festival and as such have no rooms in Indio or anywhere else. The only interest I have in it being in Indio is that I’m gonna have to eat a lot of crow and give away a Nintendo if it’s not.

I’m stretching on the Indio connections because it’s fun and I actually think that’s where it will be.

To NittyTitty:
West Coast posers? Excuse me? You Easterners think you’re entitled to every damn show Phish plays. If that were the case they would never come out West. But they know that they are loved just as much, if not more, out here in the West because their shows out here are so infrequent. So we give them the love they deserve so that they’ll keep coming back.

You’re going to choke when FLA gets wiped off the map. Better start drinking a lot of water, son. These Cali deserts are awfully dry… even in the Fall. Enjoy your stay in that warm California sun! lol @ posers! hahahhhaahahahahhaaaa!!!1!1!!!

Damn! I had my hotel in alaska booked already!

Wendalyn from New Brunswick just because Coachella doesnt allow camping means nothing, that if a totally seperate festival they can make whatever rules they want… but SoFlo or NE FTW

Bands play over at Coachella all the time.  Prince played past 2:30 am.

There is NOTHING anyone with HALF a brain can say to tie the Alaska demise to Indio, which says one and ONLY one thing to me….. the animations aren’t necessarily all clues, and don’t have to all tie in to Indio.

I’m not saying they tie to anywhere.  Maybe early animations were clues, and no more, or maybe they were never clues but just funny random ways to unveil a surprise.  But anyone who tries to tie Alaska’s animation to Indio, is a boob.

@ gregg -  good point…I had seen this b4 summer tour as well and had just assumed someone had taken it down since then…but what I should have said.  “For what its worth…” obviously wikipedia on such current topics isn’t to be trusted.
  But since I’m on the topic, maybe this lends credence to the AZ hypothesis since similar wikipedia postings were bunk.  Though I admit it does sound ridiculous.

No alaska…hahaha surprised they even bothered putting that on there!



indio indio i think i’ll try indio

all you eastcoasters need to chug your hateraid for cali. why you are hating soo much i dont know, but it is definitly going to be in indio there’s no doubt about it, soo you eastcoasters are so spoiled with shows and it’s about time for them to do a fest in the west so choke on that one baby yaeh. indio is 60 mile’s from where i live. i’m going to shoreline to see 1 show and its about a 7 hour drive you eastcoasters are complaining about nothing. so in that said you can hope all you want for a eastcoast fest but it’s not going to happen this year. cali was way over due for a phish fest. not to mention the fact that i heard it thruogh the grapevine that the have alway’s wanted to do somthing like this somwhere in cali for along time just location was a problom untill now. so all you eastcoast hater’s can stay the fuck home for this one it’s time for some socal love. Idont think you eastcoastrs could handle the desert anyway, ha ha ha ha just stay home and so you dont ruin it for the one’s who hav been waiting for this for a long time.

I feel as if our author, Todd, has reserved hotel rooms in Indio and is stretching on these Indio connections as part of a defense mechanism. Ya know, instead of facing reality he is protecting his investment by thinking it’s still likely. I mean, if we are going to stretch that far, does segway inventor Dean Kamen receiving an honorary degree from the University of Arizona just a month or so ago count as a clue? I would say that’s more likely to be the clue than the mention above.. And Alaska gets blown up in spectacular fashion. Love it.

the festival will not be in any state.  It will be on a massive ship out in the ocean and the festival will be called “aBANDon Ship”

awwww.. i was really hoping for a sweet and snowy Juno, Alaska festival.  guess i’ll just go fishing.

Great, I had to wait 48 hours to find out that this festival is not gonna be in Alaska… ALASKA??? WELL NO SH*T BOYS, THANKS!!!

Also, um, you don’t see it on this site, but on Phish.com South Dakota is back… huh?

Finally, YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL READING INTO THIS WAYYYYYYY TO MUCH!!! Yeah, the title of the festival might be “Save the Date”, but who said that Date fruit has ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT??? This is Phish, and I get that y’all are hippies and we all love Phish no matter what they do (whoever commented earlier that Coventry was the “best weekend out of their life” really needs to be put to sleep… probably the worst in mine, personally), but Phish is doing this solely to mess with us all.  Look at the attention their grabbing?  Every silly little animation they come up with, people just come up with some crazy obscure connection stemming from extensive research… done on google and wikipedia (prime sources for accurate research guys, really- straight scientifically viable!).  People, no one on here knows where this festival will be.  Everybody and their “super good source” is merely coming straight out of someone’s ass.  Calm down.  We will all find out a couple of days before Red Rocks and not until then!

P.S. (I love you all, so sorry if that just came off as harsh… just trying to be blunt here because people are TWEAKING OUT on here!!!)

I just checked with the Hilton in Palm Springs and they are not sold out and have plenty of rooms still, so I’m not sure how true the rumor is about Palm Springs hotels being sold out already.

My roommates, sisters, third grade teacher works security for coachella and he said that he heard a rumor from his co worker who heard it from the site waterboy that indio is out.

Also I think I may have figured out the cyclops connection.  How many letters in cyclops. 7.  And how many letters in in Arizona.  Thats right 7.  Booya.

Firstly, I love this site.  Thank you.

But you are looking way too deep into the state eliminations.  I understand some people love the rumors and anticipation leading to the announcement, but some of these “deep thinking” comparisons to Indio have gone beyond ridiculous. 

I’m not saying it is in Indio.  I’m not saying it isnt.  But it would but much better to have an open mind about other possible locations for this festival.  The fun is gone when every change on the phish page is compared to, well, anything.

Its like the Kevin Bacon theory.  I could connect any city to any of those flash changes. 

I’m not asking you to stop, but keep peoples’ minds guessing, not pigeon holing them into one place.

Thanks for reading.

These posts are set on the Indio, so of course they’ll reach for the stars to try to make that connection, but obviously these theories are bulls**t.
Sorry west coast posers, your going to have to trek to South FL for this one.

I think that after the debacle that was Coventry—turning thousands of phans away due to the gloppy, sticky mud, Phish would probably not want a repeat. (I certainly hope not…I hiked 10 miles into that place, leaving most of my gear in the car, just to see a crap show and walk around knee deep in mud) If I were them, I would want someplace warm with .0001% chance of rain. ie, the desert on the left coast. (AZ, CA, NM, NV)

As for Indio, I am definitely rooting for it because it is close by and in my 13 years of following Phish, I have never been to a show that was less than 3 hours driving (suck it, all you east coasters that feel you deserve yet another phish show a spitting distance away).  and I am not convinced that the rules for Coachella would apply to Phish.  They might have been rules set by the Coachella festival rather than the polo fields themselves.

If not Indio, please let it be somewhere close on the Left coast!!! there are true phans out here too!


3:10 to Yuma director James Mangold is also the director of the upcoming release of the movie Cyclops (2009).

Segways aren’t technically legal today and are generally only used by police departments, military bases, warehouses, corporate campuses or industrial sites.

Southwest Windpower is a located in Flagstaff, AZ - makers of small-scale, consumer-oriented wind generators.

Fire ants are a problem in all of the south - espeically considering they originate from Mexico (for the most part).

Tropical storms tend to ride in over Baja, CA into Arizona, creating high winds, thunderstormns, etc.

So….just sayin’ these so called “clues” can be linked to anyplace in the USA if you look hard enough….even Datelan, AZ.

Now….for the next round of eliminations!!

it means, calm down. There is no way Phish will be subject to those rules NO FRIGGIN WAY.

California is about 10 billion in debt right now, so I don’t think they’ll have a problem bending the rules for 50K phisheads.

Screw Miami NYE, let’s just shift it over for a Big Cypress 10 year reunion!

Those families will have to get in there car and drive 10 min to the riverside county fairgrounds.  This is where phish will be playing in indio.

So….no one under the age of 18 is allowed to camp on-site (according to the Coachella site - http://www.coachella.com/visitors/onsite-camping)...does this now mean Phish is losing it’s “family feel”? Not to mention the NO to alcohol and NO to camp stoves! Unless the entire town is changing their rules for Phish, what does this mean for the family travelling from out of town who had spent many nights at festivals - together!?

This guys a trip.  He managed to connect Mike on a segway to the Jesse James monster garage.  I want some of what he is smoking.  Eliminate some more states boys I am kinda wigging out.

I think this weather pattern pretty much shows the case in point. Indio here we come…


Or for all you non-believers… I don’t think I’d be seeing a Phish Festival in 38 degree weather.


As much as I am rooting for Fairburn, GA (not really sure how that made the list?) I don’t foresee that actually happening! Atlanta got a sick Halloween show in 1996 and I don’t believe that Phish would treat us to another. I’m sticking with Indio, CA and now just praying for two nights this fall in Atlanta at not Philips Arena but rather The Fox…..yeah c’mon!!!

Not going to be in Hawaii, Not going to be in friggin Alaska… can you imagine how cold it’d be? Ain’t gonna be on no East Coast Neither…
Vegas would be cool… AZ could be nice…. I like the “build our own city” thing… we’ve never had anything like that on the West Coast…
in fact all the big Festivals have been back East…

Hey Trey! have em bring the Ferris Wheel out!!! and Buckets of Glow Sticks…

Rhode Island here we come!!!!

I just got word from a very reliable friend. It will NOT be in Arizona. So anyone who thinks it is has been smoking some really good sh*t. Pass it to the left. The Left Coast that is. 

California here we come!  :D

the original ” spoilers"are crap.  the ufo blasted PA but in the real map vanna cyclops turned PA.  they arent reliable.  i hope for south florida but everyone seems to think NYE Miami is a sure thing.  can’t see them going to FLA twice in two months for a fest and a run.  and giving cali’s economic situation they would lift any rule to get the inflow of cash that phans produce.  at least one would hope.  if not then F indio, im rooting for AZ.

Jared from Maine I totally thought that the first time I saw it too.  I also thought it interesting that the state he goes “home” to didn’t disappear…  You bringing it up again, and the Datelan airbase speculation and the fact that Coachella is a lot different than all of the other Phish Festival Locations… could be Zona.

That being said… Coachella would be beautiful.  Their late night sets could go 11-2.  What about a show that starts just before sunrise?  That would be different and amazing!

Guys… I might just be dumb as hell, but I think we’ve been duped with some of the information above. I am starting to think that UFO goes “home” in Arizona and not New Mexico..

Agreed with Eric in Chicago. The argument that any town is too remote for a Phish festival is absurd; ah The Clifford Ball (Plattsburgh, NY), Coventry (VT) or The Great Went / Lemonwheel / It (Loring ME), Camp Oswego (Volney, NY), and Big Cypress. I would only expect a remote area for a Phish festival, it would only seem right.  The best case against Indio is their very strict set of rules (music curfew!? SAY WHAT?), some of which were implemented because of the Coachella Music Festival and thus would make me think they wouldn’t be lifted. However, it wouldn’t surprised the hell out of me if they were lifted or looked past for the sake of tourists coming in droves. Never in my life did I ever expect the madness I saw at Fenway Park without a security hand in sight. Having said that, even with the evidence that this festival will be held at the Polo Campgrounds; and I am honestly rooting for it to happen because my friend has a summer house in spitting distance - I am not sold on the fact it is going to happen there. Seems too easy, too cliche, and not right for a Phish festival. Someone ruled out Georgia because of weather, but from the records I looked at, Fairburn’s average over the last couple of years is high 60’s to mid 70’s. Too cold for a Phish Festival? I don’t really recall the temperatures for “It” being much higher than 80’s but that was a long time ago, would need to research it to be more accurate. Can’t wait for Red Rocks! Cheers!

How much do they usually charge for tickets for festivals?

i heard from a reliable source that phish is practicing blink 182’s enema of the state album for halloween.

I just booked my flight to LAX…. THIS SHOW WILL BE IN INDIO

IF not it will be at Big Cypress.

Another thought - the Dateland area is a classic location specifically for Halloween. Lots of old west ghost towns in the area like Aztec, Hyder and Agua Caliente.

I thought people might find this interesting.  It’s a map of the primary areas where Date Palms grow.  The darker the coloration - the more prevalent the tree. Check out South Florida.


The original site of Woodstock in Bethel, NY would be the real winner as far as venues go… Crossing my fingers for an east coast venue… Would be amazing in the fall…

curfew means nothing there. paul mcartney played until 140 am…

also, this date festival lasts almost 2 weeks there weren’t over 200K there at one time, they were spread out over that time… The site says opening day attendance was 24K

azd is right polo grounds are no good… too many rules, too small, too urban….

Segway of the Desert, Indio, CA

Take a look at the photos here:


Scroll down and find some of the newer ones. The runway is actually still in good shape and usable. They could even fly in from LA after Conan. This place is perfect.

This is totally like Limestone, or Cypress or Oswego. Lots of room for camping, RV’s, the stage, shakedown, a giant date, you name it. Look at some of those photos and you can imagine the scene coming alive. You could easily fit a temporary city here and that is exactly the kind of place a festival should be at.

Loads of space for Gordon to scoot around on the segway too.

Now take a look at these photos:


Can you really imagine shakedown street here? That place is for weddings, not a Phish festival.

Hard to say and I guess this just adds to the speculation, but the more I think about it I’d say this place has as much chance as Indio.

I bet the boys and their management team are having a blast reading all this wonderful speculation. This signals to me more than any musical performance from summer tour first let that….they’re back!

You are all wrong.  The festival is going to be in Alaska or Hawaii.  Notice that they are not on the map at all?  They were the last 2 states added into the union and they will be the last 2 states standing.  Denali National Forest on the Kenai peninsula.  Sorry suckas, time to get your Timothy Treadwell shirts on because we are going North for this one.  You want remote, airfield.  This is Phish we are talking about.  See you in the Great Norhtern of AK

Check out the Riverside County Fairgrounds in Indio.  This is where the National Date Festival occurs each year - and last year it saw nearly 280,000 people in attendance - and they allowed RV’s etc. 


midnight curfew? Really?  Wow that place sounds lamer every day.

Heres something that will blow your minds…. So the UFO graphic that people allegedly “found” on the website has the UFO zapping tennessee, pennslyvania, and nevada.  Well, as of right now, tennessee and pennsylvania have already been eliminated, so why get rid of them twice?  Thats right people, INDIO.  In ancient Indionese culture, its was customary to “zapp” things twice, to make sure they are dead and can’t rise from the ashes like zombies to kill you.  So by seeing the alien zapp tenn. and penn. a second time, that means they cant come back to life, as the Indio culture allowed.  Also, did you know, that when UFO’s zapp states, the first thing that grows back is…. you guessed it…. DATES!  Call me Sherlock Holmes, because I just figured out this mystery.  Thank you very little.

Does anyone think Phish would do a fest where the city imposes a midnight curfew on music?  (i.e. Indio)

I have my hotel booked in Canada for the festival, but I’m not telling anyone where because it’s a secret!

check this out… notice that as Mike comes out on his Segway… he’s actually headed directly towards Arizona… almost directly towards Dateland Yuma area…

I could care less whether it’s at the polo fields in So. Cal or Dateland in Az….  as long as it’s on the Left Coast…
and if they really are playing in San Francisco on the 2nd, that’s even better… although I bet S.F. means Shoreline… and that’d be cool to… but Shoreline is not S.F…. but I suppose it’s close enough…
I’d like to see em’ play the Rose Bowl or something… that’d be sweet!

Switch, are you serious?  Too remote?  Every festival they have ever had has been in a remote location.  And it is Dateland.  Not that its gonna be there but c mon man think logically. Coachella is far from the perfect spot.  That place has lame ass rules. Phish has never had a fest at a place like that.  The more remote the better imo.

hahahhaha daniel smith that is tooo funny and all too true

Sorry Indio fans, but BKS in Scottsdale nailed it!  AZ it is!!  Lock it up!!


they have segway polo out now.  polo grounds? who the hell knows anymore.  it’ll probably be in rural alabama since we all think its in Cali.

CACTUS! CACTUS just rolled over the three new states and sorry but a quick google of cactus and Indio brought this up: http://www.rivenrock.com/otherphotos.html

I was cautious but now I’m sold.

The god that blew the winds in yesterday’s clue looks a lot like the character in front of the famous date store in Indio.  Here is the link and look at the similarity with the pointing arm and color, etc.  Google “shields date garden” or go to:  http://www.shieldsdategarden.com/

Best Kept Secret, sorry, but Phish would not play a ghost town airfield in AZ. It’s too remote and would be a bitch to pull off. Also it’s DateLAN not Land. Come on man, think logically.

People, Phish wants to play in the warm fall sunshine of SoCal. Coachella is the perfect spot for this and it’s going to happen. That’s it and that’s all…!

nevermind about indiana, it was just showing up yellow on my screen for some reason…

Does anyone think that the fact that all of the states enlarge when you move the cursor over them except Indiana has any significance?  Just a thought.  Also, three more states (neb. and the dakotas) are now gone via green Segway man.

This festival will be in AZ—there is a decomissioned army base in the town of Dateland, AZ, take one guess at what the name of it is.

Datelane Army Airfield


This is where it will be held, anyone that says different, keep googling and drawing connections to Indio.  Really think about it, I mean THINK, where have all the other festivals been held at?

PS—I’ve seen flyers in Scottsdale, AZ looking for crew members for the Phish Festival in Dateland.  Start cancelling those rooms in Indio and start booking flights to San Diego (3 hour drive to Dateland)

I have it on VERY good word that Phish will be playing in San Francisco on Nov 2

Segway of the Desert. Indio, CA

A Segway?  A product that was much hyped with mass amounts of speculation and then turned out to be something entirely different.  Could this be Phish’s way of telling us we are totally off?

ok mike just took out three more states with his segway. 

i’m looking forward to some dubious connections to Indio.

Why is NH back in color on the newest map.  According to the Web the segway was invented in NH.

stop saying the NE, that makes no sense at all.

according to weather.com, the avg temp in bennington, vt (a randomly selected city in south vt to give you the benefit of the doubt) the avg high on 10/31 is 52 and the avg low is 31.  sounds like a great idea.  i mean the all time recorded high is 71 for gods sake!  .

got to be in the south.

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